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07# 我们平等、温和又激烈地谈了谈“两性”和“女权主义”:我们没那么期待“芭比”

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本期嘉宾:韬韬

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0:00-1:49|7 号真诚的独白 opening

1:50-2:42|在烧鸟店和大家打个招呼

2:43-20:42|“这世界上能把女权主义 跟你分成二乘二矩阵的人屈指可数”

20:43-24:47|我对激进女权主义的躲避出于躲避“男女对立”

24:48-26:17|重要!支持女性我们最力所能及且行之有效的事是什么

26:18-33:17|直男直女的友谊是可能的吗?

33:18-43:28|女人可太难了:(中国)父权制下女权进退维谷的境地

43:29-48:28|我们对芭比有一些严厉的评价

48:29-53:48|如果还有下辈子,你愿意做女性还是男性?

53:49-55:19|父权制最TOXIC 的产物之一:男性的占有欲

55:20-57:29|男性为什么应该支持女权主义

57:30-1:02:46|为什么我要找一个男人聊女性

1:02:47-1:04:54|7 号更加真诚的独白 close

1:04:55-1:08:03|结尾女权主义学术文章片段阅读时间(原文见shownote)

配乐

liana flores - rises the moon

大五度Major_Fifth - 秋日(ft. Junny@瀚海澜汐)

祁紫檀 - 女子力乐园(原曲+伴奏)

大野雄二 - Epilogue -Sunrise

结尾阅读片段

Lorde, A. (2021). Age, Race, Class, and Sex: Women Redefining Difference. In J. Arthur & A. Shapiro (Eds.),Campus Wars(1st ed., pp. 191–198). Routledge. doi.org


By and large within the women's movement today, white women focus upon their oppression as women and ignore differences of race, sexual preference, class, and age. There is a pretense to a homogeneity of experience covered by the word sisterhood that does not in fact exist. (P192)

….

But our future survival is predicated upon our ability to relate within equality. As women, we must root out internalized patterns of oppression within ourselves if we are to move beyond the most superficial aspects of social change. Now we must recognize differences among women who are our equals, neither inferior nor superior, and devise ways to use each others' difference to enrich our visions and our joint struggles. The future of our earth may depend upon the ability of all women to identify and develop new definitions of power and new patterns of relating across difference. The old definitions have not served us, nor the earth that supports us. The old patterns, no matter how cleverly rearranged to imitate progress, still condemn us to cosmetically altered repetitions of the same old exchanges, the same old guilt, hatred, recrimination, lamentation, and suspicion. For we have, built into all of us, old blueprints of expectation and response, old structures of oppression, and these must be altered at the same time as we alter the living conditions which are a result of those structures. For the master's tools will never dismantle the master's house. As Paulo Freire shows so well in The Pedagogy of the Oppressed, the true focus of revolutionary change is never merely the oppressive situations which we seek to escape, but that piece of the oppressor which is planted deep within each of us, and which knows only the oppressors' tactics, the oppressors'relationships. Change means growth, and growth can be painful. But we sharpen self-definition by exposing the self in work and struggle together with those whom we define as different from ourselves, although sharing the same goals. For Black and white, old and young, lesbian and heterosexual women alike, this can mean new paths to our survival.


We have chosen each other

and the edge of each others battles

the war is the same

if we lose

someday women's blood will congeal

upon a dead planet

if we win

there is no telling

we seek beyond history

for a new and more possible meeting.

(P198)



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BigDumbObjec
BigDumbObjec
2023.9.11
感谢主播和韬韬学长的分享,真的是很有意思和见解的一期节目。关于节目里提到“为什么不建议女性成为家庭主妇“相关的问题(希望我没有听错),我了解到有一派观点(neoliberal feminism)是现代社会中女性主义下女性应当追求独立自主,而在西方(neoliberal capitalism)语境下这种独立自主更多指代经济上的自主(self- choice),通过work- life balance追求well- being和self- care,也可以说是为了摆脱对男性经济上的依赖。当然这派观点并不是禁止女性成为家庭主妇,只是说家庭主妇这个职业和她们所追求的独立自主不相符。这种思想在近些年成为了风潮(比如对艾玛沃森等人的“成功独立女性”这个标签的吹捧)。不过这派观点也忽略了女性这个群体内的差异和女性身份面对的社会文化的制约(social- cultural constrain),只是片面的要求所有女性都追求经济自由。third-wave feminism非常强调前者,也就是主播提到的女性内部的diversity(或者说intersectionality)。基于这个观点third-wave feminism倾向于将女性主义或女性叙事个人化(“我的行为就是女性主义“),也是为了避免泛化(overgeneralization)的手段吧。如果主播对芭比背后的女性主义和文化产业感兴趣也可以考虑看看pop feminism相关的书。我刚好在写女性主义相关的论文,如果主播愿意的话我们也可以小窗聊一下哈哈。
【听者有份】主播 7号
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谢谢你的分享!!!因为并不算系统化学习女性主义所以看了你的评论受益匪浅。如果喜欢的话也欢迎转发本期节目🙇🏻‍♀️🙇🏻‍♀️🙇🏻‍♀️
【听者有份】主播 7号
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以及一个小问题请教!你提到的third-wave feminism这种叙事个人化对“个人行为”有定义吗?如果没有定义的话third- wave理论和纯粹的女性本身的存在主义怎么区分呢?🫡🙇🏻‍♀️🌹
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BigDumbObjec
BigDumbObjec
2023.9.11
以及配乐是女子力乐园,好评
阿坑
阿坑
2023.9.24
让女性主义者听到估计要批男嘉宾
【听者有份】主播 7号
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哈哈哈哈但别光p他连我一起批🥹。发出来就是希望能有更好的讨论,以及做好了被来自各种方向的声音审判的准备。如果真的能带来一些新思路是最好了🫡
阿坑:聊的有点理论化,一套一套的,还是出自男性口中,我一男的都有点懒得听了
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