310. Humanizing History - 赋历史以人性,访谈《奥本海默传》作者 Kai BirdBlow Your Mind (BYM S02)

310. Humanizing History - 赋历史以人性,访谈《奥本海默传》作者 Kai Bird

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Our guest is historian and journalist Kai Bird, author of the book American Prometheus, for which he won the Pulitzer Prize. In 2023, the book was adapted to the biographical film Oppenheimer, directed by Christopher Nolan.


In this interview, we covered

-  Oppenheimer's life, from leading scientific research at the Manhattan Project, to the security hearing after the war.  

-  What lessons and warnings we should take from Oppenheimer's life.

-Kai's experience writing the book, in collaboration with Martin Sherwin.

-How did Kai become a biographer, and how he choose his subjects.


In Chinese mythology, there too is a Prometheus-like figure, who taught the Chinese the use of fire. His name was Sui-ren (燧人). But there were three differences between Sui-ren and Prometheus: 1) Sui-ren was human, not a divine being like Prometheus; 2) Sui-ren discovered fire-making on his own, and 3) he was revered as a great teacher and leader for teaching people the use of fire.


At the risk of over psycho-analyzing it, I can't help wondering how these ancient myths have shaped the diverging views on the relationship between Nature and human, scientific progress, and technology risks.


00:00 - guest introduction

00:57 - Oppenheimer's life before the Manhattan Project

09:44 - the Manhattan Project

22:54 - after the war; security hearing

36:10 - what makes for a good story arc

39:07 - collaborating with Martin Sherwin

43:53 - Hollywood came knocking

45:33 - the Nolan film

53:48 - becoming a biographer

56:32 - choosing subjects

63:05 - current project


Blow Your Mind (BYM) is a Chinese and English bilingual podcast that covers a broad range of topics. Some of the recurring themes are: technology, economics, story-telling, history, entrepreneurship, creativity and mathematics. Past show guests include film-makers, authors, performing artists and AI researchers.

Email: bymclub@outlook.com


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本期嘉宾是历史学家兼记者凯·伯德(Kai Bird)。他是普利策奖得主, American Prometheus (中译本《奥本海默转》)作者。在2023年,这本书被改编成了传记电影《奥本海默》,由克里斯托弗·诺兰(Christopher Nolan)执导。


在这次采访中,我们讨论了:

奥本海默的一生,从领导曼哈顿计划的科研,到战后的安全听证会。

我们应该从奥本海默的生活中汲取哪些教训和警示。

凯撰写这本书的经历,以及与马丁·谢尔温(Martin Sherwin)的合作。

凯是如何成为一名传记作家的,以及他是如何选择传记人物。


在中国神话中,也有一个类似普罗米修斯的人物,他教会了人们使用火。他的名字是燧人。但燧人与普罗米修斯有三个不同之处:1) 燧人是人,不像普罗米修斯那样是神;2) 燧人是自己发明了钻木取火;3) 他因教人们使用火而被尊为老师和领袖。


这可能是过度分析了,但我不禁猜想这些古老的神话是否深刻影响了对自然与人类、科学进步和技术风险之间的不同看法。


00:00 - 嘉宾介绍

00:57 - 曼哈顿计划前的奥本海默

09:44 - 曼哈顿计划

22:54 - 安全听证会和战后奥本海默的生活

36:10 - 如何算作一个好故事线

39:07 - 与马丁·谢尔温的合作

43:53 - 好莱坞来敲门

45:33 - 诺兰执导

53:48 - 成为传记作家之路

56:32 - 人物选择

63:05 - Kai 的下一个传记选题


如果你对核物理以及原子弹诞生过程感兴趣,除了《奥本海默传》之外,还推荐这部《横空出世》。这是一本更为详尽的历史书,讲述了科学史上群星闪耀的半个世纪,两次世界大战,以及最终原子弹的诞生。此书也获得包括普利策奖在内的多项出版界大奖。



Blow Your Mind (BYM) 是一档中英双语播客,涉猎广泛的主题,包括科技、经济、讲故事、历史、创业、创造力和数学。过往的嘉宾包括电影制作人、作家、表演艺术家和AI科学家。

Email: bymclub(a)outlook.com



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bymbrofeng
bymbrofeng
2023.12.31
置顶
大家听到,左右声道都有声音吗?
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HD300529x:为啥我还是只有左声道
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Bobbi_sAsD
Bobbi_sAsD
2023.12.31
38:36 Biographies are subjective, with the writer's views, biases, and prejudices. Fascinating!
帕瓦乐蒂
帕瓦乐蒂
2023.12.31
我读书时的疑问是,究竟oppenheimer是如何从一个awkward的沟通者变成了如此charismatic leader,特别好奇这个过程。因为感觉很多人 were born with charismatic personality
Ann_5GQl
Ann_5GQl
2024.1.02
英语听力考试了😂
SweetieXu
SweetieXu
2023.12.31
耳机只有左声道有捏!
-hsveifnega-:我这里也是诶!只有左声道
bymbrofeng
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我听正常哇!
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WHY_wwCa
WHY_wwCa
2024.1.26
这个机核讲过 买断改编权
苏文一
苏文一
2023.12.31
开头是什么歌呀,每次听都很喜欢但总也查不到名字
bymbrofeng
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BYM 之歌
yes_:bro峰自己唱的
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SweetieXu
SweetieXu
2023.12.31
新年快乐!
可否整理一个文字版?
Zitian_Py3Z
Zitian_Py3Z
2023.12.31
哇哇哇哇哇!
桃奈小安
桃奈小安
2023.12.31
2023最后一期啦
帕瓦乐蒂
帕瓦乐蒂
2023.12.31
喜欢这期!于是想读清单又多了Kai写的传记们。祝简里里和brofeng新年快乐!
简里里
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新年快乐!
Louie
Louie
2023.12.31
新年快乐🍾️
43:16 hahahahahahaha
帕瓦乐蒂
帕瓦乐蒂
2023.12.31
哇我太喜欢这本传记了!看完电影专门买了原版读完,特别精彩非常喜欢对于奥本海默polymath以及复杂性格的刻画。先来打个卡,这就开始听这集
omg 新年快乐!!
吕莫愁
吕莫愁
2023.12.31
过年啦👏
ywzzz
ywzzz
2023.12.31
哇 半半桶水英文的听众来啦 love brofeng❤️
早起的鸟儿有新节目听~
芒小菓
芒小菓
2023.12.31
沙了个发🛋️新年快乐🎊