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2025年6月5日，美国总统特朗普与世界首富马斯克在社交媒体上展开激烈公开争吵，二人的政治联盟正式宣告（暂时）破裂。从马斯克公开抨击共和党的“大而美法案”，到特朗普暗示其患有“特朗普精神错乱综合症”，再到马斯克抛出所谓“爱泼斯坦档案”的重磅炸弹，双方的矛盾在短短一天内迅速激化，隔空骂战不断升级。
本期节目复盘这场引爆舆论的风暴。我们探讨了这场争吵究竟是源于原则之争，还是赤裸裸的利益冲突？马斯克在共和党和MAGA运动中的影响力究竟有多大，他是否高估了自己？这场风暴又将如何影响“大而美”法案的参议院前景。
本期节目录制于2025年6月5日美国东部时间晚间10点左右。
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【时间轴】
00:00:36 特朗普与马斯克公开决裂
00:07:11 决裂背后的三种理论：原则之争、利益冲突还是积怨已久？
00:14:04 决裂风波对“大而美法案”的影响：参议院政治博弈与法案前景
00:17:43 意见领袖还是负资产？马斯克的政治影响力与民主党应对策略
00:26:28 马斯克的底牌与共和党内派系斗争
00:39:34 马斯克与政治的“水土不服”
【我们是谁】
美轮美换是一档深入探讨当今美国政治的中文播客。
我们的主播和嘉宾：
Talich：美国政治和文化历史爱好者
王浩岚：美国政治爱好者，岚目公众号主笔兼消息二道贩子
小华：媒体人
曹起曈：青椒，政治行为研究者
主播和嘉宾的言论不代表其所在机构或其雇主的观点。
【 What We Talked About】
On June 5, 2025, U.S. President Donald Trump and the world's richest man, Elon Musk, erupted into a fierce public dispute on social media, marking the formal (and temporary) rupture of their political alliance. From Musk's public criticism of the Republican "Big Beautiful Bill" to Trump suggesting Musk suffers from "Trump Derangement Syndrome," and then to Musk dropping the bombshell of the so-called "Epstein files," the conflict between the two escalated rapidly within a single day, with their war of words intensifying online.
This episode unpacks this firestorm that has captivated public attention. We explore whether this feud stems from a clash of principles or a naked conflict of interest. We assess the true extent of Musk's influence within the Republican Party and the MAGA movement, and whether he overestimated his own standing. Finally, we analyze how this fallout will impact the prospects of the "Big Beautiful Bill" bill in the Senate.
This episode was recorded on June 5, 2025, at approximately 10 p.m. U.S. Eastern Time.
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【Timeline】
00:00:36 Trump and Musk's Public Fallout
00:07:11 Three Theories Behind the Fallout: A Clash of Principles, a Conflict of Interest, or a Long-Building Feud?
00:14:04 The Fallout's Impact on the 'Big and Beautiful Bill': Senate Politics and the Bill's Future
00:17:43 An Opinion Leader or a Liability? Musk's Political Influence and the Democrats' Strategy
00:26:28 Musk's Leverage and Republican Infighting
00:39:34 Musk's Awkward Fit in Politics
【Who We Are】
The American Roulette is a podcast dedicated to helping the Chinese-speaking community understand fast-changing U.S. politics.
Our Hosts and Guests:
Talich：Aficionado of American politics, culture, and history
王浩岚 (Haolan Wang): American political enthusiast, chief writer at Lán Mù WeChat Official Account, and peddler of information
小华 (Xiao Hua): Journalist, political observer
曹起曈 (Thomas Cao): Assistant professor at the Tufts Fletcher School
The views expressed by the host and guests do not represent the opinions of their employers or any affiliated institutions.
【The Links】
打着查腐败的旗号自己腐败，说着理想主义的故事攫取权力和利益。如果说他真的在追求他的理想，那就是通过极端的财富获得极端的权力，把世界改造成他想要的样子。但别忘了一个 racist, sexist, narcissist, social darwinist的理想世界很可能是绝大多数人（包括你我）的地狱。