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This episode feels like a slow walk at dusk—with no fixed destination, but plenty to see along the way.
I sat down with two very special people, Ojaba and Hannah, to ask a simple but tender question: Who are we becoming?
Not in terms of goals or success—but in how we’re slowly softening, letting go, and becoming more fully ourselves.
We talked about fear, uncertainty, discomfort, identity, and the strange beauty of not having it all figured out.
In a world that moves fast and demands clarity, this was a pause—to sit honestly with what’s unfolding.
If you’re in a moment of transition, may this episode echo back to you gently.
第五通来电｜我们正在成为谁？关于成长、松动、和成为自己的路上
这一集，是一场没有明确终点的散步。
我和两位特别的朋友，Ojaba 和 Hannah，一起聊聊“我们正在成为谁”这个问题。
不是关于未来职业、成功或目标，而是更温柔、更内在地问：我们在慢慢放下什么？又在悄悄靠近怎样的自己？
我们聊到迷茫、焦虑、身份认同、自我怀疑；也分享了那些看似混乱、实则带来礼物的时刻。
在这个快速、结果导向的世界里，我们想要一起暂停，试着诚实地和当下的自己在一起。
如果你也在某种过渡期中，这一集，希望能成为你心中一个静静的回响。
00:00｜开场：欢迎两位特别的朋友
00:00｜Opening: Introducing two special guests
02:20｜什么是“成长”？我们正在变成谁？
02:20｜What is "growth"? Who are we becoming?
06:30｜信任 vs 控制：放下计划后的变化
06:30｜Trust vs. Control: What happens when we let go of the plan?
09:30｜焦虑、等待与宇宙的回应
09:30｜Anxiety, waiting, and trusting the universe's timing
14:00｜计划赶不上变化——关于“放手”的学习
14:00｜Plans change—what it means to truly surrender
17:30｜恐惧是礼物吗？如何与不安相处
17:30｜Is fear a gift? Learning to sit with discomfort
21:00｜痛苦中的安住：月经与疼痛的隐喻
21:00｜Staying with pain: Menstruation as metaphor for growth
26:00｜冲突与修复：关系中的成长经验
26:00｜Conflict and repair: What relationships teach us
31:00｜身份与标签：我们为何抗拒“定义”
31:00｜Identity & labels: Why we resist being defined
34:00｜与家人的关系：看见彼此，不只是“父母”
34:00｜Family as humans: Seeing our parents beyond their roles
36:00｜身体形象与接纳：不符合期待也能被爱
36:00｜Body image & self-love: Being lovable without fitting in
39:00｜标签越多，自由越少？谈无身份感的自由
39:00｜Freedom beyond labels: The paradox of being “undefinable”
42:00｜“Glitch”：生活中那些让你醒来的小破口
42:00｜The "glitches" that wake us up in daily life
44:00｜学习与顿悟的区别：你其实早就知道
44:00｜Learning vs. remembering: You already knew
45:00｜Ending Question：如果一直走下去，我们会成为什么样的人？
45:00｜If we keep going—who might we become?
48:00｜结尾独白：也许我们不需要去哪儿，只是成为自己
48:00｜Closing: Maybe we don’t need to “go” anywhere—just become who we are
Special Thanks to Ojaba and Hannah
Post Production: Darian
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Before we end this episode, I want to ask you:
💭 Lately, have you felt like you're slowly becoming a new version of yourself?
Maybe a softer one, a truer one, or someone you're still getting to know?
If you'd like, I’d love to hear from you—
What’s one inner shift or subtle transformation you’ve noticed in yourself recently?
在这期节目结束前，我想邀请你也一起想一想：
💭 你最近有没有感觉到，自己正在慢慢“变成另一个自己”？
也许是一个更松弛的你、更真实的你，或者一个你还不太熟悉的版本？
如果你愿意的话，可以留言告诉我——
你最近最明显的内在变化，是什么？
