我们用基因给自己“算一卦”,到底准不准?|漫谈“科学算命”生物漫游指南

我们用基因给自己“算一卦”,到底准不准?|漫谈“科学算命”

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在这期节目我们将从算命的角度,带大家翻开消费级基因检测报告的内容,看看我们刻在DNA序列里的信息到底能算得多准。从探讨能否测算伴侣匹配度(求姻缘求子嗣)、长寿概率与潜在的心血管等疾病风险(求长寿求健康),到揭开见光打喷嚏、讨厌香菜、厌声症等身体小怪癖背后的遗传基础(算命也想不到还能算这些),我们还会追溯尼安德特人等古人类基因在我们身上留下的奇妙烙印。

基因从来不是决定人生的绝对宿命,而是一份帮助我们优化生活方式、理解生命演化的小小指南,让我们一起用生命科学的角度,聊聊这份专属的生命盲盒!

 

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时间点:

🧬 从“算命”切入:基因检测能算什么?

01:15 从生命科学的角度聊聊“基因算命”到底靠谱吗?

03:01 消费级检测普及,它能用来算生辰八字或测算姻缘吗?

07:28 消费级基因检测与严肃医疗级检测的本质区别

08:29 基因信息第一档:明确导致罕见单基因遗传病的突变。

09:31 基因信息第二档:通过大数据统计得出的概率性疾病风险。

11:05 基因信息第三档:样本量小、易被新研究推翻的“图一乐”结论。

❤️ 基因算姻缘与子嗣:配偶、遗传病与身高教育

13:08 求姻缘:著名的T恤实验与基于HLA免疫基因的相亲假说。

18:40 荟萃分析辟谣:基于HLA基因差异来寻找伴侣其实站不住脚。

19:49 HLA基因的真正医疗价值:避免过敏、检查自身免疫病。

25:18 婚姻与出轨基因:从忠贞的草原田鼠与风流的山地田鼠说起。

31:46 夫妻间的基因相似性:身高和受教育程度基因竟高度匹配。

34:50 基因养育效应:父母未遗传给你的那一半基因也会影响教育成就。

38:22 求子嗣:最靠谱的基因检测应用其实是隐性遗传病携带者筛查。

43:33 地域特征遗传病:南方高发的地中海贫血症与疟疾的进化渊源。

⏳ 基因算健康与长寿:患病风险、生活方式与代谢

48:23 求长寿:搞笑诺贝尔奖揭露长寿村背后的年龄造假与社会因素。

53:46 明星长寿基因FOXO3:让线虫寿命翻倍的经典衰老实验。

01:02:47 APOE基因:与心血管疾病、阿尔茨海默症及长寿的复杂纠葛。

01:11:05 检测的现实意义:提前知晓高血压风险并及时改变生活习惯。

01:13:31 2型糖尿病与TCF7L2基因:生活方式的干预效果远超吃药。

01:17:54 酒精代谢基因:东亚人喝酒容易上脸的生理机制与进化假说。

01:21:47 咖啡因代谢差异:慢代谢人群喝太多咖啡容易导致心悸焦虑。

🗺️ 基因算命理与演化:祖源分析与古人类渗入

01:25:54 算命理:祖源分析是如何测算出南方汉族或北方汉族血统的?

01:29:43 藏族人适应高海拔的基因,竟来源于已灭绝的丹尼索瓦人。

01:31:56 尼安德特人的基因渗入如何影响现代人的痛觉与新冠重症风险。

01:37:05 东亚人体貌特征:EDAR基因如何同时影响头发、牙齿和汗腺。

01:38:31 挖耳屎的学问:为什么大部分东亚人是干耳屎且较少有狐臭。

💡 “图一乐”的基因冷知识:财运、饮食与怪癖

01:41:21 求财运:用基因来算风险偏好或者人格类型有几分可信度?

01:47:20 奇特生理反应:见光打喷嚏的ACHOO综合征及远古进化假说。

01:50:56 厌声症探秘:听到吧唧嘴就烦躁?也许真的有部分遗传基础。

01:53:29 香菜厌恶者:为什么部分人闻香菜就像在吃肥皂的化学副产物。

01:54:57 狂吃不胖的“瘦子基因”存在吗?ALK基因控制能量代谢的奥秘。

02:00:51 懒得运动也怪基因?决定久坐不动的大部分基因竟在大脑回路。

🛡️ 测序指南与数据安全

02:06:58 选购避坑建议:不同价位基因产品的差异,及数据库的人群偏差。

02:09:02 基因安全细思极恐:公开的族谱数据如何帮警方抓到连环杀手。

02:11:56 科学看待报告:正确理解患病风险倍数,基因并非人生的全部。

 

本期提及的相关图片(我们的部分检测结果,供大家参考看看基因检测结果):

 

部分提及参考文献:

奶树部分:

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蝌蚪部分:

一、求长寿 / 衰老遗传学

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Kenyon C, Chang J, Gensch E, Rudner A, Tabtiang R. A C. elegans mutant that lives twice as long as wild type. Nature. 1993;366:461-464. doi:10.1038/366461a0.

Kimura KD, Tissenbaum HA, Liu Y, Ruvkun G. daf-2, an insulin receptor-like gene that regulates longevity and diapause in Caenorhabditis elegans. Science. 1997;277(5328):942-946. doi:10.1126/science.277.5328.942.

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Flachsbart F, Caliebe A, Kleindorp R, et al. Association of FOXO3A variation with human longevity confirmed in German centenarians. Proc Natl Acad Sci U S A. 2009;106(8):2700-2705.

Corder EH, Saunders AM, Strittmatter WJ, et al. Gene dose of apolipoprotein E type 4 allele and the risk of Alzheimer’s disease in late onset families. Science. 1993;261(5123):921-923. doi:10.1126/science.8346443.

Garatachea N, Marín PJ, Santos-Lozano A, Sanchis-Gomar F, Emanuele E, Lucia A. The ApoE gene is related with exceptional longevity: a systematic review and meta-analysis. Rejuvenation Res. 2015;18(1):3-13. doi:10.1089/rej.2014.1605.

二、求健康 / 药物基因组学

Lee CR, Luzum JA, Sangkuhl K, et al. Clinical Pharmacogenetics Implementation Consortium guideline for CYP2C19 genotype and clopidogrel therapy: 2022 update. Clin Pharmacol Ther. 2022.

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U.S. Food and Drug Administration. Warfarin prescribing information.

Cooper-DeHoff RM, Niemi M, Ramsey LB, et al. The Clinical Pharmacogenetics Implementation Consortium guideline for SLCO1B1, ABCG2, and CYP2C9 genotypes and statin-associated musculoskeletal symptoms. Clin Pharmacol Ther. 2022. doi:10.1002/cpt.2557.

Amstutz U, Henricks LM, Offer SM, et al. Clinical Pharmacogenetics Implementation Consortium guideline for dihydropyrimidine dehydrogenase genotype and fluoropyrimidine dosing: 2017 update. Clin Pharmacol Ther. 2018. doi:10.1002/cpt.911.

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Phillips EJ, Sukasem C, Whirl-Carrillo M, et al. Clinical Pharmacogenetics Implementation Consortium guideline for HLA genotype and use of carbamazepine and oxcarbazepine: 2017 update. Clin Pharmacol Ther. 2018;103(4):574-581. doi:10.1002/cpt.1004.

三、心血管 / 代谢 / 常见病风险

Nordestgaard BG, Chapman MJ, Humphries SE, et al. Familial hypercholesterolaemia is underdiagnosed and undertreated in the general population. Eur Heart J. 2013;34:3478-3490.

Clarke R, Peden JF, Hopewell JC, et al. Genetic variants associated with Lp(a) lipoprotein level and coronary disease. N Engl J Med. 2009;361:2518-2528. doi:10.1056/NEJMoa0902604.

McPherson R, Pertsemlidis A, Kavaslar N, et al. A common allele on chromosome 9 associated with coronary heart disease. Science. 2007;316:1488-1491.

Helgadottir A, Thorleifsson G, Manolescu A, et al. A common variant on chromosome 9p21 affects the risk of myocardial infarction. Science. 2007;316:1491-1493. doi:10.1126/science.1142842.

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五、求财 / 能力 / 行为遗传学

Okbay A, Wu Y, Wang N, et al. Polygenic prediction of educational attainment within and between families from genome-wide association analyses in 3 million individuals. Nat Genet. 2022;54:437-449.

Kong A, Thorleifsson G, Frigge ML, et al. The nature of nurture: effects of parental genotypes. Science. 2018;359:424-428.

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Karlsson Linnér R, Biroli P, Kong E, et al. Genome-wide association analyses of risk tolerance and risky behaviors in over 1 million individuals identify hundreds of loci and shared genetic influences. Nat Genet. 2019;51:245-257.

六、测序方法 / 表观遗传

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七、猎奇 / 生活相关遗传学

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Woodward OM, Köttgen A, Coresh J, et al. Identification of a urate transporter, ABCG2, with a common functional polymorphism causing gout. Proc Natl Acad Sci U S A. 2009;106:10338-10342.

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展开Show Notes
奶树
奶树
9天前
置顶
大家如果对基因检测感兴趣,可以去「微基因WeGene」的淘宝店看看,最近有优惠!(报暗号【生物漫游指南】,可以加赠个丝质眼罩/有小礼物哦)
越向书
越向书
9天前
有管发paper的基因吗?
桑葚葡萄抹茶酪酪:我笑晕了..
奶树
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我也希望有hhhhhh
5条回复
太喜欢片尾曲啦♥️
奶树
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找了一圈各种叫DNA的歌,发现还是这首的歌词很符合我们最后对基因的认识
25:57 我看奶树有说相声的基因!
奶树
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(其实这段念了两次哈哈哈哈哈哈第一次糟糕的蝌蚪都看不下去哈哈哈哈)
Nini1108
Nini1108
6天前
1:22:13 一样的慢代谢咖啡者,一样的咖啡因失眠和心悸,但是真的戒不了咖啡的口味,所以选择了低因咖啡。着实羡慕那些咖啡因脱敏人群!
25:57 语言力王者
05:28 哈哈哈哈哈,弓头鲸倒是测出来了
不知道什么时候能听到越向书和生物漫游指南一起做一期关于捕鲸史的节目
癌症这个还没仔细注意过,我妈妈那边的长辈貌似都是各种癌症、脑溢血去世,但是我舅舅去年患上渐冻症,最近已经不能自己吃饭
奶树
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不同癌症的致病基因,是否遗传性机制都不太一样,目前研究得比较清楚的只有几类癌症,比如乳腺癌,基因检测对这些癌症有一定的筛查作用。渐冻症倒是只有5%到10%的情况是遗传的。
HD111849x
HD111849x
3天前
这期好有意思,听完后我脑子里出现了一些挺矛盾的想法。之前听过“均值回归”这个理论,如果说基因测序能揭示命运,那均值回归是不是意味着,不管个体多特别,最终优秀的基因都会被拉回群体的平均值呢🤔️
1:48:20 好搞笑哈哈哈哈哈
Nini1108
Nini1108
6天前
26:07 哈哈哈奶树的语文功底可见深厚
14:55 妈呀感觉没有衣服会喜欢咋办😂
奶树
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我寻思也是想想都不太好闻😅
1:55:15 我就很讨厌吃木耳和银耳,从小到大都是,吃了就会恶心吐出来
哦米伽,刚刚搜了下WGS好贵噢
奶树
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也可以看看标准版,官网有示例报告可以比较一下
桑葚葡萄抹茶酪酪:嘿嘿 等我开始上班的时候去测一下 感觉特别有意思!(顺便说下我顺利毕业啦嘿嘿
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请教一下,遗传学角度有没基因强弱之说?民间的“妈矮矮一窝”“丑人基因更强大”这些有没有科学依据呢?
奶树
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强弱这个定义感觉就是个问题,基因确实从人类角度看有的功能重要有的功能次要,这个角度可以区分强弱,但从后面你给的例子来看,那种强弱应该没有 “妈矮矮一窝”是完全不靠谱的,身高是受基因影响很大,但同时相关的基因也很多,目前有成千上万的基因位点和身高有关,所以我觉得这个肯定能随便找出反例 “丑基因”就更难说了,丑本身就是人类很主观的一种判断,真要拆成具体的性状,不同的特征基因决定目前都只是个概率问题,类似单眼皮,双眼皮这种。从进化角度来说,则是什么性状在过去存活更好,有助于繁殖,越能保留下来,所以我觉得这句话也很不靠谱
Claudius辛雲舟:身高是数量性状,多基因遗传的哦,多基因遗传简单来说就是有一个对应的基因表达你这个性状,该基因的量越多,性状就越明显。但是多基因遗传还有一个很鲜明的特点就是会很大程度收到表达环境的影响。比如很多省份的人平均身高比其他身份的人要高很多
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42:05 现在无创也有不准的概率啊,35以后都要羊穿
奶树
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感谢补充,确实35岁以后的高龄产妇目前更建议是要做羊水穿刺,因为结果更准确可靠。但目前也有医院的建议还是基于个人具体情况,权衡考虑用无创还是羊水穿刺
来支持了
九日慈
九日慈
9天前
14:32 这有点折磨女生了😂
九日慈
九日慈
9天前
占领第一位!!!💃🏻
突然出现的神秘园有点梦幻联动了哈哈哈
奶树
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哈哈哈哈突然联想到了