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67【聊了什么The What】
这一期小蓝和一芳请来友台「大波福娃」的酸酸和小苕，一起聊 HBO Max 黑色喜剧《绝望写手 Hacks》：一部从 2021 年播到今年 6 月大结局、拿下 14 座艾美奖的剧集。故事讲的是拉斯维加斯驻场的过气传奇喜剧女演员 Deborah Vance，和一个被行业封杀的 25 岁新人写手 Ava Daniels，如何从针锋相对到成为彼此的创作搭档、伴侣和挚友。我们四个女的从追剧节奏聊起，一路谈到脱口秀创作的真实体验、女性做喜剧要付出的代价、Deborah 与 Ava 之间说不清的关系（老板员工？母女？浪漫爱？），最后落到全剧真正想问的问题：一个创作者要如何被这个世界记住。
This episode Izzy and Yifang brought on Suan and Shao from our sister show DatBeauvoir to talk about the HBO Max dark comedy Hacks, which ran from 2021 to its finale this past June and picked up 14 Emmys along the way. The show follows Deborah Vance, a washed-up legendary comedian doing a residency in Las Vegas, and Ava Daniels, a 25-year-old writer who's been blacklisted by the industry, and how they go from sworn enemies to creative partners, life partners, and each other's closest confidantes. The four of us talk about everything from our binge-watching habits to what it's really like to write stand-up (Suan and Shao both have brilliant sets,) what women in comedy have to sacrifice, and the relationship between Deborah and Ava that defies easy labels (boss and employee? mother and daughter? something closer to romance?) and finally landing on the question the whole show is really asking: how does a creator get remembered by the world?
【本期嘉宾 Our guests:】
- 小苕 (it/its)：一个擅长端盘子的骄傲土豆
- 酸酸(she/her)：一包先酸后甜的绿色彩虹糖
- Shao (it/its): A potato with Chinese characteristics. Can’t be fried or smashed.
- Suan (she/her): A bag of zesty green Skittles with the sweetest aftertaste.
【时间轴 The When】
00:58 《Hacks》剧集背景：HBO Max 黑色喜剧
02:47 我们是怎么看剧的——从两周到"五天速通"
04:00 五季剧情回顾：从相识、写专场，到深夜秀风波、诉讼边缘、最终和解
06:49 酸酸和小苕自己的创作过程与真实经历的对照
08:15 剧中喜剧表演是否真的好笑？拆解 Deborah 的经典段子 "fire joke"
14:25 Deborah 与 Ava 的关系：年龄差、阶级错位、政治立场分歧
19:16 全网嗑 CP：Deborah Ava关系与传统言情剧叙事的相似之处
21:00 母女关系的影子
27:05 女性做喜剧要付出什么代价以及痛苦如何转化成作品
33:51 为什么痛苦的段子能让人笑出来：真实与才华的关系
41:00 Hacks创作缘起：三位主创的采风故事，Hannah Einbinder怎么可能不是Ava本娃？
42:54 配角线：Jimmy、Kayla、Robbie 与好莱坞旧秩序的更迭
51:59 Deborah 的谷底重生、MSG座无虚席的梦想和反抗
58:00 Deborah 为什么拒绝把段子授权给 AI 公司
1:00:00 大结局：短暂的人生与不朽的艺术
1:03:00 场外花絮：Jean Smart 和剧中人物的相似艺术人生
00:58 Background on Hacks: an HBO Max dark comedy
02:47 How we each watched the show — from two weeks to a five-day binge
04:00 Recapping all five seasons: from their first meeting and writing the special, to the late-night show fallout, the near-lawsuit, and the eventual reconciliation
06:49 酸酸 and 小苕 on how their own creative process compares to the show's
08:15 Is the stand-up in the show actually funny? Breaking down Deborah's signature "fire joke"
14:25 Deborah and Ava's relationship: the age gap, the class mismatch, the political divide
19:16 The internet's shipping obsession — how it echoes traditional romance-drama beats
21:00 Shades of a mother-daughter dynamic
27:05 What women in comedy have to give up, and how pain gets turned into material
33:51 Why painful jokes can still make us laugh: authenticity vs. talent
41:00 The origins of Hacks: the creators' research process, and how Hannah Einbinder could not have been anyone but Ava
42:54 The supporting cast — Jimmy, Kayla, Robbie — and the changing of the guard in old Hollywood
51:59 Deborah's comeback from rock bottom, the dream of a sold-out MSG show, and her refusal to give up
58:00 Why Deborah turns down licensing her material to an AI company
1:00:00 The finale: a short life, an immortal art
1:03:00 Behind the scenes: the parallels between Jean Smart's own career and her character's
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