

The Ezra Klein Show: How Fast Will A.I. Agents Rip Through the Economy?The “Hard Fork” team is off this week, taking a much-needed break. While we’re away, we wanted to draw your attention to a recent episode of “The Ezra Klein Show.” In this conversation, Ezra speaks with Jack Clark, a co-founder of Anthropic, about how he is using A.I. agents; how the technology is leading to meaningful changes in the ways we work and think; and how policy can or must change to anticipate potential job displacement on the horizon. We’ll be back with a new episode next week. Guest: * Jack Clark, a co-founder and the head of policy at Anthropic. Additional Reading: * A full transcript and video of this episode can be found here. We want to hear from you. Email us at hardfork@nytimes.com. Find “Hard Fork” on YouTube and TikTok. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher. For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
‘A.I.-Washing’ Layoffs? + Why L.L.M.s Can’t Write Well + TokenmaxxingThis week, we start by talking about the new wave of tech layoffs at Atlassian and Block, as well as reports that Meta plans to cut up to 20 percent of its work force. This raises the question of whether A.I. job loss has truly begun, or if there are other factors at play. Then, we’re joined by the writer Jasmine Sun to talk about why chatbots are still so bad at creative writing. And finally, it’s tokenmaxxing time! Kevin takes us behind the scenes of his latest reporting about why tech companies are building leaderboards to measure who is using the most A.I. Guest: * Jasmine Sun, journalist and writer at jasmi.news Additional Reading: * I Worked for Block. Its A.I. Job Cuts Aren’t What They Seem. * Meta Planning Sweeping Layoffs as A.I. Costs Mount * Meta Delays Rollout of New A.I. Model After Performance Concerns * The A.I.-Washing of Job Cuts Is Corrosive and Confusing * The Human Skill That Eludes A.I. We want to hear from you. Email us at hardfork@nytimes.com. Find “Hard Fork” on YouTube and TikTok. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher. For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
A.I. Goes to War + Is ‘A.I. Brain Fry’ Real? + How Grammarly Stole Casey’s IdentityA.I. is changing the ways war is waged. This week, we explore how the U.S. and Israel are using A.I. to identify targets in the conflict with Iran — and why data centers and fiber optic cables are targets on the front lines. Then, researcher Julie Bedard breaks down “A.I. brain fry,” a new condition she and her colleagues studied among A.I. users at work. And finally, Casey shares his battle with Grammarly after the company used his identity in a new A.I. feature, without his consent. Guest: * Julie Bedard, managing director and partner at Boston Consulting Group who is also the lead author of a survey of “A.I. brain fry” in the workplace. Additional Reading: * U.S. at Fault in Strike on School in Iran, Preliminary Inquiry Says * How A.I. Is Turbocharging the War in Iran * Anthropic’s A.I. tool Claude central to U.S. campaign in Iran, amid a bitter feud * A.I. Fatigue Is Real and Nobody Talks About It * Token Anxiety * A.I. Doesn’t Reduce Work — It Intensifies It * Grammarly Is Using Our Identities Without Permission We want to hear from you. Email us at hardfork@nytimes.com. Find “Hard Fork” on YouTube and TikTok. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher. For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
OpenAI's Fog of War + Betting on Iran + Hard Fork Review of SlopThis week, the fallout continues as OpenAI scrambles to rework its deal with the Pentagon, while government agencies adapt to life without Claude. Then we break down the grim new reality of prediction market bets on the U.S.-Israel led war with Iran. Finally, it’s time for another edition of The Hard Fork Review of Slop. This time we’re joined by Arijeta Lajka, a New York Times reporter, to discuss her recent article about the short form A.I.-generated slop YouTube is feeding to young children. Guest: Arijeta Lajka, New York Times video journalist Additional Reading: * The Pentagon Officially Notifies Anthropic That It Is a ‘Supply Chain Risk’ * OpenAI Amends A.I. Deal With the Pentagon * How Talks Between Anthropic and the Defense Dept. Fell Apart * How Anonymous Bettors Cashed In on the Iran Strike, Just Hours Before It Happened * Israeli Army Reservists Are Suspected of Using Inside Knowledge to Bet * How A.I.-Generated Videos Are Distorting Your Child’s YouTube Feed We want to hear from you. Email us at hardfork@nytimes.com. Find “Hard Fork” on YouTube and TikTok. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher. For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
Is A.I. Eating the Labor Market? + The Latest on the Pentagon, OpenClaw and Alpha SchoolThis week, the economist Anton Korinek joins to break down how artificial intelligence is driving volatility in the job and stock markets. Then, the battle between the Pentagon and Anthropic is getting even more tense. Anthropic now has until 5:01 p.m. Eastern time on Friday to accept the military’s demands over the terms of a contract, or the Trump administration will retaliate by invoking the Defense Production Act and designating the company a “supply chain risk.” We discuss this change, as well as two other updates on OpenClaw and Alpha Schools. Guest: * Anton Korinek, economist studying the impact of A.I., at the University of Virginia. Additional Reading: * Pentagon Gives A.I. Company an Ultimatum * Summer Yue’s OpenClaw post * ‘Students Are Being Treated Like Guinea Pigs’: Inside an AI-Powered Private School * Parents Fell in Love With Alpha School’s Promise. Then They Wanted Out * The 2028 Global Intelligence Crisis * When Does Automating Research Produce Explosive Growth? We want to hear from you. Email us at hardfork@nytimes.com. Find “Hard Fork” on YouTube and TikTok. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher. For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
The Pentagon vs. Anthropic + An A.I. Agent Slandered Me + Hot Mess ExpressThis week, Anthropic is refusing to let the government use the company’s technology for autonomous weapons and domestic surveillance. In response, the Pentagon is threatening to cut business ties and declare Anthropic a “supply chain risk.” Who will blink first? Then, Scott Shambaugh joins us to tell the strange tale of the autonomous A.I. agent that wrote a hit piece about him. And finally, the Hot Mess Express returns to the station. Guest: * Scott Shambaugh, engineer and writer of “An A.I. Agent Published a Hit Piece on Me” Additional Reading: * Defense Department and Anthropic Square Off in Dispute Over A.I. Safety * Ring Cancels Its Partnership With Flock Safety After Surveillance Backlash * Meta Plans to Add Facial Recognition Technology to Its Smart Glasses * Japan’s Largest Toilet Maker Is Undervalued A.I. Play, Says Activist Investor * ‘It Is 35 Degrees’: Outrage as Aussie Uber Driver Charges $5 to Turn on Air Conditioning Unit During Heatwave * Meta Patented an A.I. That Lets You Keep Posting From Beyond the Grave * I Tried RentAHuman, Where A.I. Agents Hired Me to Hype Their A.I. Start-Ups We want to hear from you. Email us at hardfork@nytimes.com. Find “Hard Fork” on YouTube and TikTok. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher. For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
‘Something Big Is Happening’ + A.I. Rocks the Romance Novel Industry + One Good ThingThis week, we discuss Wall Street’s software-stock sell-off and a viral essay on X about the potential for widespread job displacement from A.I. Then, the New York Times reporter Alexandra Alter walks us through the process that a growing number of writers are adopting to churn out romance novels with help from A.I. chatbots. Finally, we each share one bit of good tech-related news — a new way to make playlists on Spotify and progress toward decoding whale sounds. Guest: * Alexandra Alter, a New York Times reporter covering books and publishing. Additional Reading: * The Dark Side of A.I. Weighs on Tech Stocks * Matt Shumer’s essay “Something Big Is Happening” * The New Fabio Is Claude * How a New A.I. Tool Fixed My Single Biggest Problem With Spotify * How A.I. Trained on Birds Is Surfacing Underwater Mysteries We want to hear from you. Email us at hardfork@nytimes.com. Find “Hard Fork” on YouTube and TikTok. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher. For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
Elon Musk’s Mega-Merger + We Test Google’s Project Genie + What’s Next for Moltbook CreatorThis week, the A.I. initial-public-offering race is heating up! We break down SpaceX’s acquisition of xAI, as well as OpenAI and Nvidia’s messy situationship. Then, it’s time for show and tell. We got our hands on the latest experimental A.I. prototype from Google called Project Genie, and we discuss our experience using it to generate and navigate video-game-like environments. Finally, we’re joined by Moltbook’s founder, Matt Schlicht, to discuss his new social media platform for A.I. agents, and how he’s planning to deal with security risks and spam on the site. Guest: * Matt Schlicht, creator of Moltbook Additional Reading: * Elon Musk Merges SpaceX With His A.I. Start-Up xAI * The $100 Billion Megadeal Between OpenAI and Nvidia Is on Ice * Project Genie: Experimenting with infinite, interactive worlds * An A.I. Pioneer Warns the Tech ‘Herd’ Is Marching Into a Dead End * Moltbook Mania Explained We want to hear from you. Email us at hardfork@nytimes.com. Find “Hard Fork” on YouTube and TikTok. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher. For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
Moltbook Mania ExplainedA Reddit-style web forum for A.I. agents has captured the attention of the tech world. According to the site, called Moltbook, more than 1.5 million agents have contributed to over 150,000 posts, making it the largest experiment to date of what happens when A.I. agents interact with each other. We discuss our favorite posts, how we’re thinking about the question of what is “real” on the site, and where we expect agents to go from here. Additional Reading: * A Social Network for A.I. Bots Only. No Humans Allowed. * Five Ways of Thinking About Moltbook We want to hear from you. Email us at hardfork@nytimes.com. Find “Hard Fork” on YouTube and TikTok. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher. For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
Tech Grapples With ICE + Casey Tries Clawdbot, a Risky New A.I. Assistant + HatGPTThis week we’re talking about the tech industry’s response to the killings by federal agents in Minneapolis and the federal government’s strategy to control the narrative on social media. Then we follow Casey through his trial of a new open-source A.I. assistant called Moltbot (formerly Clawdbot) and consider whether it is worth the security risk. And, finally, it’s time for a look at the rest of the week’s tech news with a round of HatGPT. Additional Reading: * False Posts and Altered Images Distort Views of Minnesota Shooting * A Moment-by-Moment Look at the Shooting of Alex Pretti * It’s a War: Inside ICE’s Media Machine * Some Amazon Employees Get ‘Project Dawn’ Calendar Invitation Discussing Upcoming Job Cuts * TikTok Data Center Outage Triggers Trust Crisis for New U.S. Owners * Former FTX Crypto Executive Caroline Ellison Released From Federal Custody * Anthropic C.E.O.’s Grave Warning: A.I. Will “Test Us as a Species” * Inside the White House Screening for Amazon’s ‘Melania’ Doc * App for Quitting Porn Leaked Users’ Masturbation Habits * Alaska Student Arrested After Eating A.I.-Generated Art in Protest * Steak ’n Shake Adds $5 Million in Bitcoin Exposure, Deepening Bitcoin Commitment * SpaceX Weighs June I.P.O. Timed to Planetary Alignment and Elon Musk’s Birthday * LinkedIn Will Let You Show Off Your Vibe Coding Expertise We want to hear from you. Email us at hardfork@nytimes.com. Find “Hard Fork” on YouTube and TikTok. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher. For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
Will ChatGPT Ads Change OpenAI? + Amanda Askell Explains Claude's New ConstitutionAds are coming to ChatGPT’s free and low-cost subscription tiers. We explain what they’ll look like, why OpenAI is taking this approach and whether the company can court advertising dollars without compromising quality and user trust. Then, Amanda Askell, Anthropic’s in-house philosopher in charge of shaping Claude’s personality, joins us to discuss the company’s newly released “Claude Constitution” and what it takes to teach a chatbot to be good. As a bonus, if you’re interested in learning how to get started with Claude Code, you can check out our tutorial on YouTube. Guest: * Amanda Askell, a member of Anthropic’s technical staff Additional Reading: * OpenAI Starts Testing Ads in ChatGPT * Claude’s Constitution Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher. For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
Jonathan Haidt Strikes Again + What You Vibecoded + An Update on the ForkiverseThis week, Jonathan Haidt, author of “The Anxious Generation,” returns to the show to discuss new research about how social media is harming teens and what it’s been like to become the face of a global movement against the platforms. Then, we asked what you were building with Claude Code, and you blew us away. We’ll share some of our favorite projects that you sent us. And finally, we’re joined by PJ Vogt, the host of “Search Engine,” to talk about our early adventures in the Forkiverse and what we’ve learned so far about running a social media network. Guests: * Jonathan Haidt, social psychologist and author of “The Anxious Generation" * PJ Vogt, host of “Search Engine” Additional Reading: * Mountains of Evidence * Meta’s Internal Research * An NYT Event in LA - Trump: The First Year of His Second Term We want to hear from you. Email us at hardfork@nytimes.com. Find “Hard Fork” on YouTube and TikTok. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher. For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
Can We Build a Better Social Network?Over the past year we’ve been working with the podcast “Search Engine” on a project that reimagines what the internet can be. What if instead of rage-baiting, a social platform incentivized friendly interaction and good faith discussion? Today we’re bringing “Hard Fork” listeners an episode we made with the “Search Engine” team called “The Fediverse Experiment” where we end up creating our own social media platform. Guest: * PJ Vogt, host of the podcast “Search Engine.” Additional Reading: * The Dream of the Fediverse Is Alive on Threads * What Is Mastodon and Why Are People Leaving Twitter for It? We want to hear from you. Email us at hardfork@nytimes.com. Find “Hard Fork” on YouTube and TikTok. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher. For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
Grok’s Undressing Scandal + Claude Code Capers + Casey Busts a Reddit HoaxUsers of X are asking the platform’s built-in A.I. chatbot, Grok, to remove clothing from images of celebrities and everyday people. We talk with the New York Times reporter Kate Conger about how some of the targets of this sexual harassment, including children and their families, are responding, and whether anyone will take action to stop it. Then, we recap a holiday break spent experimenting with Claude Code. We unveil what we built, how we did it and why the tool’s dramatic improvement could be scary for society. And finally, Casey debunks a viral Reddit post that accuses the food delivery industry of shocking exploitation. We explain how a scammer tried to fool us all using AI-generated evidence. Guests: * Kate Conger, New York Times tech reporter covering X. Additional Reading: * Elon Musk’s A.I. Is Generating Sexualized Images of Real People, Fueling Outrage * Debunking the A.I. Food Delivery Hoax That Fooled Reddit We want to hear from you. Email us at hardfork@nytimes.com. Find “Hard Fork” on YouTube and TikTok. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher. For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
Our 2026 Tech Resolutions + We Answer Your QuestionsHappy New Year! We’re kicking things off by sharing our tech resolutions for 2026 and reflecting on how we fared with our social media and meditation goals from last year. Then, we open up the listener mailbag and answer your questions on data centers in space, who’s to blame when a customer service A.I. bot lies to you and whether it’s OK to deepfake Santa into your home security footage. Also, get your very own “Hard Fork” hats, now available at the Times Store: https://store.nytimes.com/products/hard-fork-baseball-cap Additional Reading: * What I Learned About Productivity This Year * Data Centers in Space + A.I. Policy on the Right + A Gemini History Mystery * Shuffling Some Whimsy Into Poker and Blackjack We want to hear from you. Email us at hardfork@nytimes.com. Find “Hard Fork” on YouTube and TikTok. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher. For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.