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7感谢豆瓣播客对本台2025年柏林电影节前线播客日记的大力支持！欢迎大家在豆瓣播客《废话燃料NonsenseFuel》词条下收听本期节目。
不在主竞赛单元，但各方面待遇胜过主竞赛单元影片，这就是《编号17》（《米奇17》）在今年柏林电影节的独特地位。值得期待它的理由可以随手列出一大串：卸下偶像包袱转向艺术领域，同时兼任“蝙蝠侠”的罗伯特·帕丁森、好莱坞上亿美元的顶级投资，以及靠《寄生虫》征服戛纳和奥斯卡的奉俊昊......
本期节目算是观影后非剧透的看点前瞻，会聊到《编号17》与原著小说《米奇7号》改编对比的异同，以及丰富的类型元素下面的作者表达。
奉俊昊仍是那个有着怪物迷狂，关注阶级叙事的奉俊昊，但一切又有些不一样。
1:13 开胃菜
2:44 《编号17》的特别待遇
6:46 奉俊昊是发布会的绝对中心
11:35 史蒂文·元描述奉俊昊的工作风格
12:59 主菜
14:35 原著小说《米奇7号》的背景介绍
19:06 和《寄生虫》截然不同的奉俊昊
20:20 相比原著，改编了大量的细节
23:44 伏虫的形象太意外了
25:24 为什么奉俊昊会想要拍这本小说
29:43 怪兽迷狂的流变
31:43 奉俊昊在好莱坞经过的锤炼和成长
33:46 核心论题-忒修斯之船悖论
40:06 甜点
40:55 主竞赛单元一部低调但来头很大的电影
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SHOWNOTES IN ENGLISH:
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Not in the Competition, but the treatment is better than the film in Competition, that's the unique position of Mickey 17 at this year's Berlin Film Festival. The list of reasons to look forward to it is long: Robert Pattinson, who has shed his idol baggage and turned to art while doubling as Batman, Hollywood's top investment of hundreds of millions of dollars, and Bong Joon-ho, who conquered both Cannes and the Oscars with “Parasite”. ......
This episode is a sort of non-spoiler look-ahead after the movie, and will talk about the similarities and differences between Mickey 17 and the adaptation of the original novel “Mickey 7,” as well as the author's expression underneath the richness of the genre elements.
Bong Joon-ho is still the same Bong Joon-ho with his monster fanaticism and focus on class narratives, but everything is a little different.
1:13 Appetizers
2:44 A special treat for Mickey 17
6:46 Bong Joon-ho is the absolute center of the conference
11:35 Steven Yeun describes Bong Joon-ho's working style
12:59 Main course
14:35 Background on the original novel Mickey 7
19:06 A very different version of Bong Joon-ho from Parasite
20:20 Adapted a lot of details compared to the original novel
23:44 The image of creepers is so unexpected.
25:24 Why would Bong Joon-ho want to do this novel?
29:43 The flux of monster fanaticism
31:43 Bong Joon-ho's Hollywood experience and growth
33:46 The core thesis-The Ship of Theseus Paradox
40:06 Dessert
40:55 A low-key but important movie in competition
