049 | 这瓜有毒×美轮美换:特朗普2.0时代的科研寒冬美轮美换 The American Roulette

049 | 这瓜有毒×美轮美换:特朗普2.0时代的科研寒冬

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【聊了什么】

本期节目由《这瓜有毒》制作,录制于3月中旬。

本期节目聚焦美国科研界在特朗普第二次执政后所面临的空前挑战。几位嘉宾分享了他们的第一手观察——从政府大规模裁员、联邦经费冻结,到频频传出的各种“关键字”审查,一连串政策变化让科研机构和高校都陷入了前所未有的混乱。

很多研究项目和人才因此停摆或外流,更令人担忧的是,部分公共卫生与基础科研项目可能因此断档,影响范围远远超出美国本土。

除了官方与学术机构的角力,本期节目还提及多位科研工作者的亲身体会。他们与主持人讨论了在经费不确定、审查规则模糊的情况下,如何调整研究方向,或者转向其他领域谋出路。这些应对方法虽然艰难,但也反映出当科研环境被政策因素扰动时,人们必须不断摸索新生存方式。

从长远来看,科研生态一旦受损,影响的绝不仅是论文发表或学术奖项,还有可能带来公共卫生、国际合作等多方面的风险。节目的核心信息是:学术界需要更多互相支持与协力,也需积极与公众保持沟通,争取让科学研究在复杂环境里依然能生根发芽。

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【嘉宾介绍】

孔孔:这瓜有毒主播

Y博:药企科学家,专注于新药研发及科普创作。其微信公众号 @一个生物狗的科普小园 广受好评。

Talich:美轮美换主播,现居亚利桑那的美国政治和文化历史爱好者。

【时间轴】

02:15 初步讨论科研经费冻结嘉宾提到 NIH、NSF 等科研机构出现的经费暂停,并分享第一手观察,说明不少研究项目无故被搁置。

07:10 裁员风波与内部混乱大量政府部门和高校开始裁员或冻结职位,导致项目审批停摆。嘉宾们举例说明这一政策对研究人员个人与团队的冲击。

10:25 “关键字审查”的荒诞例从 “woman”“transgender” 等词遭到过滤,到与疫苗研究及中美合作相关的项目被取消,探讨这背后可能的政治逻辑。

15:40 公共卫生的隐忧麻疹、禽流感等疾病的防控工作也难以幸免;政府层面的信息发布与应对协调存在明显滞后风险。

21:05 高校的应对与困境多所知名大学开始缩减博士生名额、暂停招生或项目;对年轻研究者而言,职业前景骤然受挫。

24:10 个人感受与现实选择科研人员谈到应对策略,部分人考虑转向私营企业或跨国合作,另一些则只能等待政策走向明朗。

28:35 马斯克的角色与政府关系马斯克在裁员和管理层面所扮演的作用,如何与特朗普政府形成强势“组合拳”,对科技产业也产生辐射影响。

33:20 长期影响:科研生态断裂与人才流失减少科研投入可能带来的潜在代价,不仅限于美国,更会波及国际学术合作与基础研究发展。

【我们是谁】

美轮美换是一档深入探讨当今美国政治的中文播客。

【 What We Talked About】

This episode was produced by 这瓜有毒 and recorded in mid-March.

This episode focuses on the unprecedented challenges facing the American research community following Donald Trump’s return to power. Our guests share first-hand accounts of what they’ve witnessed—massive government layoffs, a freeze on federal funding, and increasing reports of politically driven “keyword” censorship. These policy shifts have thrown research institutions and universities into an era of chaos not seen before.

Many research projects have been halted or abandoned, and researchers are leaving the field or the country altogether. Even more concerning is the potential collapse of key public health initiatives and basic science programs, with ripple effects far beyond the United States.

Beyond the clash between official institutions and academia, this episode also highlights the personal experiences of scientists on the ground. In conversation with the host, they discuss how they’ve had to shift their research focus—or leave their fields entirely—amid budget uncertainty and vague, shifting censorship rules. These tough decisions reveal how deeply political interference is reshaping the scientific environment, and how researchers must continually adapt to survive.

In the long run, a damaged research ecosystem affects far more than academic publications or professional accolades—it carries risks for public health, global scientific collaboration, and technological progress. The core message of this episode: the academic community must foster greater solidarity, maintain open lines of communication with the public, and continue planting the seeds of science—even in hostile soil.

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【Timeline】

02:15 – Initial Discussion on Research Funding FreezeGuests discuss the suspension of funding from agencies like the NIH and NSF, sharing first-hand observations of research projects being stalled or canceled without explanation.

07:10 – Layoff Waves and Institutional ChaosWidespread layoffs and hiring freezes across government agencies and universities have paralyzed project approvals. Guests provide examples of how these policies have directly impacted individual researchers and teams.

10:25 – The Absurdity of “Keyword Censorship”Terms like “woman” and “transgender” have reportedly been filtered out, and projects related to vaccines or U.S.-China collaborations canceled. The guests explore the possible political motivations behind these actions.

15:40 – Public Health in JeopardyDisease control efforts for illnesses like measles and avian flu are not spared. There are serious concerns about delays and dysfunction in how the government communicates and coordinates public health responses.

21:05 – Universities' Response and DilemmasPrestigious universities are cutting PhD slots, pausing admissions, or shutting down programs entirely. For early-career researchers, this has suddenly upended their career prospects.

24:10 – Personal Stories and Hard ChoicesResearchers describe their strategies to adapt: some are shifting to private sector roles or international collaborations, while others are stuck in limbo, waiting for the political climate to stabilize.

28:35 – Elon Musk’s Role and Ties to GovernmentMusk’s involvement in layoffs and organizational shakeups is examined, along with how his alignment with the Trump administration forms a powerful force reshaping the tech and science landscape.

33:20 – Long-Term Impact: A Broken Research Ecosystem and Talent ExodusCuts in research investment may have long-term costs, not just for the U.S. but for global scientific cooperation and the future of foundational research.


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展开Show Notes
MoMoney4
MoMoney4
2025.4.06
现代医学就应该让川普死于2020的Covid,antibody cocktail 喂狗都不应该用在他身上;还有RFK,就应该让寄生虫吃了他的脑子。世界上最反智的人却大权在握,Don’t Americans love shooting themselves in the foot 👎
MarcusJiang:美股亏钱了吧?
WJoel:这不美国人自己选的么?
9条回复
科研是不能计较短期成本得失的,特朗普马斯克完全就是拿着计算器到处算账的抠门小贩。
葛立恒数:美国再不削减开支都没有长期了
乱发迎风606:那也得科学合理啊,现在是一帮大外行瞎搞,上上下下闹了多少乌龙搞出多少笑话
13条回复
刚刚收到的对接试剂商:老师您好, 原产美国货品周四开始加征34%关税,如有采购计划请您务必周一(4月7日,今天下班前)确认下单,避免价格上涨损失。

如果您未来计划订购CST、ACD、Novus、R&D、Tocris、Merck、Sigma 等原产美国的品牌产品也请今天下班前下班备货,节省经费!
熊阿姨
熊阿姨
2025.4.07
这期的开头咋这么乱…
A_Pique:补录了一个附录相当于是
taotaomama
taotaomama
2025.4.09
反正就是不回国,对吧
Canor:哪里都有好有坏,看个人价值排序吧,这有什么好吐槽的😓
49:29 这里的发言,嘉宾不够专业,需要多做功课,对于药企,尤其大型药企,他们不会支持预防医学,疫苗就是预防医学,因为这是减少医疗费用。药企需要的是更多尤其大费用,所以重病,尤其长期疾病是药企欢迎的,因为意味着多收入。而临床试验,药企也是期待他们主导,而不是政府主导,医药专利有15年,药企是很希望自己从头抓到尾,利益最大化,也是为什么药企其实和肯尼迪一边,因为肯尼迪反疫苗和药企的商业利益是一致的。
狲狲:嘉宾是abbvie
闲散无用人:so?那又怎么样呢?不代表我不了解美国药业啊。
5条回复
狲狲
狲狲
2025.4.07
华老师和周博士是科研政策方面最好的信源了🥹终于一起起录了一期
Canor
Canor
2025.4.10
这瓜有毒主播口条还是练练吧……听感太难受了😢
潔蘋
潔蘋
2025.4.07
美国感觉终于出了个明目张胆搞人治的总统
細雨濕流光:200 多年了,也到时候了……
rickchow
rickchow
2025.4.07
52:05 中国搞一个“订书钉计划”,把在美国干不下去的科学家都挖过来。
易水寒风:德国工资比美国低太多😂我同学从德国跑南开去了
乱发迎风606:欧洲已经在抢人了
4条回复
1:14:19 真是活久见“进步主义者”开始为官僚主义背书了
反向来看 我可以说裁员导致美国科研人员的含金量直线上升吗,这不是和提升效率的目标一致吗。非要留下一堆混吃等死的人反而削弱优秀人才的上升空间
以后就叫利帝货了:裁员能精准地裁到混吃等死的人非常难的
Avita
Avita
2025.4.07
09:38 无耻 鸡蛋在拜登执政期间就上涨到位了 跟Trump执政毛关系冒有。相反,Trump执政期间鸡蛋价格已经下降了近60%
wowo_0JuT:按你的说法,1月20号以前鸡蛋最便宜的到了九美元?
YiMeng:上一次涨价是Covid,这一次是鸡瘟,和谁执政本身也没太大关系,市场作用罢了
3条回复
事实上砍部门的时候并没有将部门完全砍除,保留了基本运行能力的。不能一概而论说裁员引起混乱,这完全是在混淆视听
听下来有种提着锤子找钉子的感觉
rickchow
rickchow
2025.4.07
好听爱听多更
艽氷
艽氷
2025.4.07
爷爷👴奶奶👵,你们关注的播客更新了。
03:42 美国文化战争
Mars98563
Mars98563
2025.4.28
谢谢。
瑜瑜yu
瑜瑜yu
2025.4.19
这波生物行业受到一万点伤害