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35这是Open Door的第一期英文对话节目。
我在伊斯坦布尔认识了一个很可爱的伊朗女孩Zahra。12月是旅游淡季，她的咖啡馆每天关门都很早，关门后她常常带我去坐轮渡，穿过博斯普鲁斯海峡City walk，顺便探几家咖啡馆。
离开伊斯坦布尔的那天早上下起了大雨，不太适合出门。我临时起意问她，要不要聊一期播客。她很爽快地答应了。
于是就有了这一期。我们坐在她的咖啡馆里，聊插画、聊咖啡，也聊她离开伊朗大不里士、一个人来到伊斯坦布尔的故事。
我的英文不太好，即时翻译有疏漏，但希望你们会喜欢这段对话💕
【本期主播】
野鸟，旅行瘾君子
Zahra，Clouds Coffee Cihangir主理人
【时间轴】
【Part 1｜Zahra的插画本：从记录心情到描绘咖啡馆】
01:54 When did you start painting in Iran? For you, is illustration a form of expression or an escape?
05:45 “最后的插画本里，我开始画咖啡馆，是因为我当时很想开一家咖啡馆。当你每天都想着一件事情的时候，它好像就会真的梦想成真。
06:27 There's a drawing of you and your sister that touched me a lot. I see you two video chat almost every day. What does your relationship with your sister mean to you?
10:44 “姐姐会鼓励我做所有的事情。包括我想去韩国旅行，她拿出了所有存款，支持我们一起去韩国旅行两个月。”
【Part 2｜理想与现实：咖啡馆之梦、Euphoria】
11:41 You told me you really like Korean culture, especially Korean cafes and illustrations. You also said, “I have a Korean soul; I might have been Korean in my past life.” What does this mean to you?
15:22 “我真的很喜欢韩国的插画和咖啡馆。当我走在首尔的街上，可以闻到咖啡的香味。韩国给了我开咖啡馆的灵感。”
15:57 You lived in Seoul for two months and didn't miss home at all. You're in Istanbul now, and you miss home every day. Why do you miss home more in Turkey than in Korea?
20:02 “在韩国的时候，我是在度假，而且和姐姐在一起。但现在在土耳其，我是独自创业开咖啡馆。现阶段土耳其的经济很低迷，这里的人们好像也不是那么守秩序。”
29:06 You now actually own a café in Istanbul. Why is the real café called Clouds? How is it different from the café in your paintings? You also mentioned that you even somewhat regret opening the café. Why?
32:56 “对于一个女性来说，独自经营一家咖啡馆其实很辛苦。我不再有假期，也很少能和朋友出去玩。如何在工作和生活之间找到平衡，对我来说非常重要。”
【Part 3｜流动的身份：婚姻、护照与自由】
33:53 You mentioned that you might marry your Turkish boyfriend, Bünyamin, next year. For you, is this love, a path to freedom, or both?
36:03 “如果不是因为爱，我无法进入一段婚姻。不，这和自由无关。我想这是爱，我是真的想嫁给他。”
36:40 You once said: “The Iranian passport is terrible; there are many places I can't go.” When did you first realize that “passports don't grant freedom”?
39:13 “这个问题我其实很难给你一个很长的回答，因为我们从小就知道：伊朗的护照真的很糟糕，没什么用。”
40:02 You told me that Turkish society is actually quite closed off; many young people don't even know Christmas or popcorn. As someone who has experienced multiple cultures, how do you view this closed-off nature?
“这对我来说也很震惊。很多土耳其年轻人居然不知道Christmas、popcorn这样的词。伊朗很多年轻人英文不错，可能是因为我们需要‘逃离’这个国家。而土耳其人可能觉得现在的生活很安逸，所以不需要。”
【Part 4｜离开的故乡：伊朗、家庭与社会】
45:59 You once told me that you chose to leave your hometown alone because you couldn't stand the oppressive social environment in Iran. Could you share with us what specifically you “couldn't stand”?
49:46 “在伊朗，作为一名女性求职时，大部分公司会更倾向选择男性，他们并不相信女性可以像男性一样胜任工作。”
50:50 When you decided to leave Iran, did your family support you or oppose it?
54:50 “最开始，我妈妈非常害怕。但我的姐姐对我说：如果你在这里真的很不开心，那你就走吧。”
56:16 You mentioned before that many people who leave Iran gradually lose their religious beliefs. What changes did you experience yourself?
61:22 “如果我选择信仰，我就会严格遵守规则。当我发现自己无法做到这一点时，如果我还称自己是穆斯林，我会觉得那样很虚伪。”
【结尾部分：关于未来和寄语】
63:57 What is the first place you most want to go? If one day you no longer have the pressure of life and survival？
67:35 “我很喜欢瑞士的自然风景，像天堂一样美丽。但我最想去的还是首尔。上一次去的时候，我大多待在房间里，只看了咖啡馆，并没有好好感受那座城市的历史与文化。”
72:21 If an Open Door listener came to Istanbul, what places would you take them that tourists wouldn't go?
74:08 “我会推荐一些很棒的咖啡馆、餐厅、博物馆和艺术画廊，整理成一份清单，分享给大家。”
【本期节目音乐】
Christmas Magic by Harryan Yoonsoan
【Zahra’s Sharing】
🌟Cafes
1. Cafe Parla Istanbul maps.app.goo.gl
2. Bews Coffee & Store maps.app.goo.gl
3. Arc Cafe maps.app.goo.gl
4. Caffé Leo maps.app.goo.gl
5. Vermilion Coffee maps.app.goo.gl
6. Clouds Coffee Cihangir maps.app.goo.gl
🌟Restaurants
1. Mornings In Pera maps.app.goo.gl
2. Kloft maps.app.goo.gl
3. Napoli Pizza Company maps.app.goo.gl
4. Safir İran Mutfağı Restoran & Cafe maps.app.goo.gl
5. Mahir Lokantası maps.app.goo.gl
6. Elde Börek maps.app.goo.gl
7. Sprout maps.app.goo.gl
🌟Art Gallery
Because exhibition info changes quickly, follow this local curator for the latest updates:
Hazal Kutlu www.instagram.com
【关于我们】
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