Round Table presents the third of six stories from the new podcast, "Sage and Youth: Debating Zhuangzi's Tao." In this episode: is true freedom found outside fame and office? Zhuangzi refuses political power, raising a timeless question about success. One side defends spiritual independence. The other argues real influence requires stepping into the system. For more fascinating stories and heated debates, search "Sage and Youth: Debating Zhuangzi's Tao."


Freedom or power?
27分钟 ·
2064·
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朱承宇
2026.3.13
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完了,前面的故事太难了,听了4遍没听懂
朱承宇:庄子在濮水钓鱼,楚威王派两位大夫来请他做宰相:“愿以境内累矣!”(想把国家托付给您)
庄子头也不回,问:
“我听说楚国有只神龟,死了三千年,楚王用锦缎包着、竹箱装着,供在庙堂之上。
这只龟,是宁愿死了留骨享尊贵,还是宁愿活着在泥里拖着尾巴爬?”
大夫答:“宁生而曳尾涂中。”(当然活着在泥里爬)
庄子说:“往矣!吾将曳尾于涂中。”(你们回去吧,我也要在泥里自在活着)
朱承宇:惠子在梁国做宰相,有人说庄子要来抢他的相位,惠子慌了,在国都搜了三天三夜。
庄子主动去见他,讲了个神鸟的故事:
“南方有鸟,名曰鹓鶵(yuān chú),你知道吗?
它从南海飞到北海,非梧桐不止,非竹实不食,非醴泉不饮。
有只猫头鹰(鸱)叼着一只腐鼠,见鹓鶵飞过,仰头‘吓’一声,怕它抢腐鼠。
现在你是想用你的梁国相位来‘吓’我吗?”
谢谢