00:00 🎙️ 从一条让人愣住的消息开始，这期气氛一开场就不太一样。
00:18 🕯️ 同行看到这样的新闻，震惊之外，其实还有点说不上来的后怕。
01:19 💬 他女儿一句关于“离开”的转述，听完真的会鼻酸。02:07 🔍 这期不想跟着标题党走，我们想聊点不一样的想法。
02:42 ⚠️ 为什么每次遇到悲伤复杂的事，大家都急着把原因缩成一句话？
04:10 🎮 也许我们真正想要的，从来不是答案，而是“我还能控制点什么”。
05:02 🏃 当工作、生活都失控时，人为什么会突然开始执着体重、运动和数字？
06:41 🪞 有些东西看起来叫自律，往深了说，也可能是另一回事。
08:51 📰 新闻一出，所有人都开始“提炼教训”——但这件事真的能这么学吗？
11:25 🏋️ 越焦虑的人，为什么越容易把身体当成最后的控制区？
14:42 🧩 我们太爱找规律了，可人生偏偏最不讲规律。
16:24 🌙 “你应该早点睡”这句话，为什么放在有些人身上根本不成立？
18:14 😴 睡多久、怎么睡、什么时候睡，可能都没你想得那么简单。
21:00 🦁 原来连作息这件事，都可能是“天生分类型”的。
28:01 🏃♀️ 因为害怕某种结果，就直接走向另一个极端，真的更安全吗？
33:42 🫀 当一个医学词汇开始被反复传播时，我们理解的真的是事实本身吗？
46:31 🌤️ 聊到后面才发现，比起寻找标准答案，也许更重要的是怎么和不确定相处。
48:17 📝 没想到聊着聊着，还顺手拐进了雅思口语答题思路。
49:04 🎤 这一期不只是在聊新闻，也是在聊我们为什么总想立刻下结论。
56:13 👋 翻牌时间：双语播客转录不易，您的留言对我们很重要。
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姐姐，我这次来是有好消息告诉你们的，我六级听力25个对了20个！！！！！这是我目前做的最好的一次，这都多亏了姐姐们的帮助，我每天都听一篇，要不是有姐姐们帮助，我估计不会有这么大的进步，很快就六级考试了，这次成绩无疑给我吃了一剂定心丸，我真的好感谢姐姐们，虽然我才第一次达到这个成绩，但我相信，有了第一次就会有第二次，我会更加努力的！！！！
另外，我要催更！！！！😊😋😋
另外，我要催更！！！！😊😋😋
谢谢你的分享，太为你感到高兴啦！你的听力一定会越来越好，六级必过哈哈哈哈！也谢谢你的鼓励，我们会继续努力的❤️❤️
这个讨论好有意义啊，就是说运动是可以运动的，不过要把自己的身体状态调整到相应的运动强度所需的身体素质，去补充营养补充能量，等身体跟上了再去做合适的运动，身体太虚了一下子强度过大身体受不住的，要去动态调整而不是一味跟风
每个人都是独立个体！
是这样的👍🏻👍🏻
前排前排！
转录9/19【23:06-26:25】
I think I'm a wolf, too, because I remember my most efficient working hours is actually after 10 o'clock at night, probably, because around 10,11, everybody, they need to sleep. Yeah, nobody interrupts us. So I think, oh, that's why I prefer work in those hours.
Yeah, me too. Like it happened to me before, but right now, because of my workload, because of my work, and that's why I have to work early. I have to be productive in the daytime. So that's why I said I want to be a bear. I’m trying. I'm trying to adjust myself.
But it’s kind of sad news to you. Because according to the research, this is inherent. People are basically born with this type. You born with your chronotype. It’s sort of your genes. So I don't know if you can change it, but it's interesting.
So any technology can modify my genes. I want to modify my genes, to be honest. That' s funny.
那刚才Wing还补充了一个信息，就是说这是天生的，就好像我刚才说我强行强迫我自己晚上早点关机，然后早上早点开机。哦，但是我真的是不行，那我要跟你们分享一件事情，就是。譬如说我今天我在录播客的当天，我其实本来我是要7点钟起床，然后 8 点钟要开始工作，但事实上我不知道为什么早上起来的时候就感觉整个人非常头痛，然后我的心脏很不舒服，所以我就没办法了。我就说那今天的工作只能是调整到其他时间了，我很强迫自己去开机，但是我没有办法开机，那这种情况下就不要强迫自己开机算了。
对，就放自己一马。
对对对，还有一个就插播一个搞笑一点，虽然在一个很沉重的话题当中，但是突然间我就想到这一个东西。Wing，我不知道你也没有看，因为这是一个你不怎么刷短视频，然后就有一个很有名的一个女星，叫做瞿颖。我知道。她最近在跟那个 papi 录一个节目的时候，然后就有讲到。
我知道。
现在就是那个成为我的那个motto，那个 slogan 就是我不需要赚太多的钱，因为我都只买便宜货，所以我现在也是跟自己说OK，消费降级一下，那我就不需要这么努力去赚钱了。
她的态度挺好的，她好像也说过，她说我卖（口误，买）的东西什么很便宜。那你省下的钱就可以看医生还是什么的。
我想起了，她说。那个买那个耳环，他说那个耳环的话就很便宜，然后人家说那这样子的话耳朵不会过敏吗？他说那你买耳环省下来钱的话，就买点那个青霉素，然后去涂一下就好了。
对，我好喜欢她那个生活态度，好乐观，好积极，乐观好开阔，她也没什么架子。
对对，然后我就突然间觉得，对，事实上确实是那样子，就刚好今天也是讲到那个压力，还有这个睡眠作息什么的，然后突然间就很有感触。对.
So what we just talked about in Chinese is about the one's very famous model/singer/ actress, Qu Ying. And she's very positive right now. I think she's around 50 years old. Yeah, she has a very interesting, admiring attitude to life.
I think I'm a wolf, too, because I remember my most efficient working hours is actually after 10 o'clock at night, probably, because around 10,11, everybody, they need to sleep. Yeah, nobody interrupts us. So I think, oh, that's why I prefer work in those hours.
Yeah, me too. Like it happened to me before, but right now, because of my workload, because of my work, and that's why I have to work early. I have to be productive in the daytime. So that's why I said I want to be a bear. I’m trying. I'm trying to adjust myself.
But it’s kind of sad news to you. Because according to the research, this is inherent. People are basically born with this type. You born with your chronotype. It’s sort of your genes. So I don't know if you can change it, but it's interesting.
So any technology can modify my genes. I want to modify my genes, to be honest. That' s funny.
那刚才Wing还补充了一个信息，就是说这是天生的，就好像我刚才说我强行强迫我自己晚上早点关机，然后早上早点开机。哦，但是我真的是不行，那我要跟你们分享一件事情，就是。譬如说我今天我在录播客的当天，我其实本来我是要7点钟起床，然后 8 点钟要开始工作，但事实上我不知道为什么早上起来的时候就感觉整个人非常头痛，然后我的心脏很不舒服，所以我就没办法了。我就说那今天的工作只能是调整到其他时间了，我很强迫自己去开机，但是我没有办法开机，那这种情况下就不要强迫自己开机算了。
对，就放自己一马。
对对对，还有一个就插播一个搞笑一点，虽然在一个很沉重的话题当中，但是突然间我就想到这一个东西。Wing，我不知道你也没有看，因为这是一个你不怎么刷短视频，然后就有一个很有名的一个女星，叫做瞿颖。我知道。她最近在跟那个 papi 录一个节目的时候，然后就有讲到。
我知道。
现在就是那个成为我的那个motto，那个 slogan 就是我不需要赚太多的钱，因为我都只买便宜货，所以我现在也是跟自己说OK，消费降级一下，那我就不需要这么努力去赚钱了。
她的态度挺好的，她好像也说过，她说我卖（口误，买）的东西什么很便宜。那你省下的钱就可以看医生还是什么的。
我想起了，她说。那个买那个耳环，他说那个耳环的话就很便宜，然后人家说那这样子的话耳朵不会过敏吗？他说那你买耳环省下来钱的话，就买点那个青霉素，然后去涂一下就好了。
对，我好喜欢她那个生活态度，好乐观，好积极，乐观好开阔，她也没什么架子。
对对，然后我就突然间觉得，对，事实上确实是那样子，就刚好今天也是讲到那个压力，还有这个睡眠作息什么的，然后突然间就很有感触。对.
So what we just talked about in Chinese is about the one's very famous model/singer/ actress, Qu Ying. And she's very positive right now. I think she's around 50 years old. Yeah, she has a very interesting, admiring attitude to life.
转录19/19【53:56-58:01】
Okay, any other questions? Yes, in Part 3, there are two sample questions. The first one is, why do people often believe news so quickly?
Well, I think the main reason is that people often react emotionally before they think critically. If a piece of news is shocking or dramatic, they may accept it immediately without checking whether it's true or not. Also, many people are uncomfortable with uncertainty, so they prefer a quick and simple explanation to a more complicated truth.
And the second question is, how does social media influence the way people understand news?
What do you think?
Well, I think social media makes people understand news in a faster but more emotional way. Very often people see headlines, short clips or comments before they know the full facts. As a result, their opinions are shaped not only by the news itself, but also by other people's reactions. Express information quickly, but it can also make people judge too quickly.
Yeah, I totally agree. Yeah, OK, that' s all for today. Thank you for listening.那下面是我们的翻牌时间，我要翻牌的是 Esther113，然后他说，哈哈哈， Max 笑起来好老钱风，所以我当时就说我下次要翻牌，你这评论因为我觉得真的好可爱。老钱是怎么定义的呢？对啊，我也觉得很有趣这一个，然后我要翻的是“杨 Chloe 杨”，他说请问有文稿吗？我发现我们每次发完出来就大家开始追我们的文稿。对，私密马赛，正在赶稿当中。对，就我们在努力当中，因为我们每次录完我们不是照稿读，所以每次录完其实我们要另外花时间逐字的进行对，并把它变成文稿，然后再发出来，所以这些会比较花时间，请大家耐心等待，然后当我们完成之后，我们都会发在我们的评论区，这样子大家可以核对一下。因为我知道其实小宇宙它本身现在多了一个功能，就是它。同步转录。但是我发现它转录的文字其实是不太正确的，但我也不知道怎么删，也不知道怎么去改，所以我们目前的做法也只能是将我们自己核对好的那个文稿发在我们的评论区当中。对，其实单一语言的话应该还是比较好核对的，但是因为我们是双语，所以有时候，所以为什么 AI 暂时还不能取代我们。就是因为我们要，他们 AI 可能只能识别一种语言，或者是突然间就失灵，就可能会造成混乱，因为我们也其实试过很多其他的软件，能不能帮助我们减轻这个工作量，但后来发现其实真的不如人。对。就是我们可能只是作为一个参考，但是还是要靠人不停的去核对。是。那所以的话谢谢您的一个提醒，然后我们也会努力。对，好，那最后就是记得是要一键三连，我老忘了这三个是什么。点赞。点赞。转发，还有收藏。对，点赞、转发还有收藏，大家也可以在各大平台收听我们的播客，包括有小宇宙、苹果播客、 QQ 音乐、喜马拉雅，还有Spotify。对，其实我们也非常喜欢大家在评论区跟我们互动。那让我们知道我们有什么样可以进步的地方，或是我们你们感兴趣什么话题也给我们提供了灵感，所以欢迎大家多跟我们互动哦。对，说不定你的评论就是我们下一次翻牌，或者是我直接是我们下一期的主题，所以大家多点留言跟我们互动哦。对的，OK. Have a nice day. Have a nice week. Bye. Bye.
Okay, any other questions? Yes, in Part 3, there are two sample questions. The first one is, why do people often believe news so quickly?
Well, I think the main reason is that people often react emotionally before they think critically. If a piece of news is shocking or dramatic, they may accept it immediately without checking whether it's true or not. Also, many people are uncomfortable with uncertainty, so they prefer a quick and simple explanation to a more complicated truth.
And the second question is, how does social media influence the way people understand news?
What do you think?
Well, I think social media makes people understand news in a faster but more emotional way. Very often people see headlines, short clips or comments before they know the full facts. As a result, their opinions are shaped not only by the news itself, but also by other people's reactions. Express information quickly, but it can also make people judge too quickly.
Yeah, I totally agree. Yeah, OK, that' s all for today. Thank you for listening.那下面是我们的翻牌时间，我要翻牌的是 Esther113，然后他说，哈哈哈， Max 笑起来好老钱风，所以我当时就说我下次要翻牌，你这评论因为我觉得真的好可爱。老钱是怎么定义的呢？对啊，我也觉得很有趣这一个，然后我要翻的是“杨 Chloe 杨”，他说请问有文稿吗？我发现我们每次发完出来就大家开始追我们的文稿。对，私密马赛，正在赶稿当中。对，就我们在努力当中，因为我们每次录完我们不是照稿读，所以每次录完其实我们要另外花时间逐字的进行对，并把它变成文稿，然后再发出来，所以这些会比较花时间，请大家耐心等待，然后当我们完成之后，我们都会发在我们的评论区，这样子大家可以核对一下。因为我知道其实小宇宙它本身现在多了一个功能，就是它。同步转录。但是我发现它转录的文字其实是不太正确的，但我也不知道怎么删，也不知道怎么去改，所以我们目前的做法也只能是将我们自己核对好的那个文稿发在我们的评论区当中。对，其实单一语言的话应该还是比较好核对的，但是因为我们是双语，所以有时候，所以为什么 AI 暂时还不能取代我们。就是因为我们要，他们 AI 可能只能识别一种语言，或者是突然间就失灵，就可能会造成混乱，因为我们也其实试过很多其他的软件，能不能帮助我们减轻这个工作量，但后来发现其实真的不如人。对。就是我们可能只是作为一个参考，但是还是要靠人不停的去核对。是。那所以的话谢谢您的一个提醒，然后我们也会努力。对，好，那最后就是记得是要一键三连，我老忘了这三个是什么。点赞。点赞。转发，还有收藏。对，点赞、转发还有收藏，大家也可以在各大平台收听我们的播客，包括有小宇宙、苹果播客、 QQ 音乐、喜马拉雅，还有Spotify。对，其实我们也非常喜欢大家在评论区跟我们互动。那让我们知道我们有什么样可以进步的地方，或是我们你们感兴趣什么话题也给我们提供了灵感，所以欢迎大家多跟我们互动哦。对，说不定你的评论就是我们下一次翻牌，或者是我直接是我们下一期的主题，所以大家多点留言跟我们互动哦。对的，OK. Have a nice day. Have a nice week. Bye. Bye.
转录18/19【50:44-53:55】
然后还有下一个是那个overwork，就我们总是想说我们加班或是过劳工作，我们就可以用这个overwork， overwork 是一个词来的。那下一个的话，我们可以用那个 blame 是指责的意思，那在这里它是做一个动词，那我们 blame stress, lack of sleep or modern lifestyle in general.就是说我们会把我们的原因归咎于就指责就是因为压力、睡眠不足或是现代的生活方式。那还有最后一个是那个circulate，那 circulate 这个的话它表示 circulating online，就是非常地道，然后它表示在网上流传的意思。
There was the part that really made me think. I realized that when people hear shocking news, they often don't just want facts. They want a simple and emotional and satisfying explanation. They want one cause, one lesson, or even one person or happy to blame. I think that happens because uncertainty is very uncomfortable. If people can turn a tragedy into a clear warning, then they feel slightly safer, as if they have Learned the rule and can now avoid the same fate.
那这里有一个Emotionally satisfying.emotionally 就表示情绪上的，情感上的。satisfying 就是非常满足，所以就是他们得到一个解释，让他们觉得心灵上面是非常得到满足的，就是这样子。那还有下一个的话，有一个是 turn a tragedy into a clear warning，就是把一个悲剧变成了一个警示，就我们刚才讲的他的事情也是让我们敲响了警钟。就你可以说 turn something into something。还有最后一个是 avoid the same fate，就是我们要避免同样的一个命运。
This news also made me reflect on how people consume information today. In my opinion, many people are more drawn to dramatic stories than to careful analysis. They prefer certainty, even if it is false. So for me, this was not just a piece of news. It became a reminder that what actually happened and what people want to believe are often two very different things. That's why it stayed in my mind for such a long time.
好，然后在这里的话也有几个很好用的一个方式，第一个是 reflect on，表示反思、思考的意思，那还有一个是 consume information， consume 是表示消费、消耗，那 information 是信息，那在这里的话我们可以变成了获取信息，那这个的话就比那个 receive information 要更加的地道一点点。然后下一个的是more drawn to dramatic stories than to careful analysis.那在这里是 more drawn to 的话， be drawn to 是表示被什么什么吸引，那所以就是说大家更加容易被一些比较抓马的故事吸引，而不是非常严谨的一个分析。那确实我们必须要保证一个公平公正，然后也是比较尊重的理性的一个态度。那还有最后一个是 stay in my mind，就是在我的脑海里面停留了很久，就 stay in my mind for such a long time.
然后还有下一个是那个overwork，就我们总是想说我们加班或是过劳工作，我们就可以用这个overwork， overwork 是一个词来的。那下一个的话，我们可以用那个 blame 是指责的意思，那在这里它是做一个动词，那我们 blame stress, lack of sleep or modern lifestyle in general.就是说我们会把我们的原因归咎于就指责就是因为压力、睡眠不足或是现代的生活方式。那还有最后一个是那个circulate，那 circulate 这个的话它表示 circulating online，就是非常地道，然后它表示在网上流传的意思。
There was the part that really made me think. I realized that when people hear shocking news, they often don't just want facts. They want a simple and emotional and satisfying explanation. They want one cause, one lesson, or even one person or happy to blame. I think that happens because uncertainty is very uncomfortable. If people can turn a tragedy into a clear warning, then they feel slightly safer, as if they have Learned the rule and can now avoid the same fate.
那这里有一个Emotionally satisfying.emotionally 就表示情绪上的，情感上的。satisfying 就是非常满足，所以就是他们得到一个解释，让他们觉得心灵上面是非常得到满足的，就是这样子。那还有下一个的话，有一个是 turn a tragedy into a clear warning，就是把一个悲剧变成了一个警示，就我们刚才讲的他的事情也是让我们敲响了警钟。就你可以说 turn something into something。还有最后一个是 avoid the same fate，就是我们要避免同样的一个命运。
This news also made me reflect on how people consume information today. In my opinion, many people are more drawn to dramatic stories than to careful analysis. They prefer certainty, even if it is false. So for me, this was not just a piece of news. It became a reminder that what actually happened and what people want to believe are often two very different things. That's why it stayed in my mind for such a long time.
好，然后在这里的话也有几个很好用的一个方式，第一个是 reflect on，表示反思、思考的意思，那还有一个是 consume information， consume 是表示消费、消耗，那 information 是信息，那在这里的话我们可以变成了获取信息，那这个的话就比那个 receive information 要更加的地道一点点。然后下一个的是more drawn to dramatic stories than to careful analysis.那在这里是 more drawn to 的话， be drawn to 是表示被什么什么吸引，那所以就是说大家更加容易被一些比较抓马的故事吸引，而不是非常严谨的一个分析。那确实我们必须要保证一个公平公正，然后也是比较尊重的理性的一个态度。那还有最后一个是 stay in my mind，就是在我的脑海里面停留了很久，就 stay in my mind for such a long time.
转录17/19【46:51-50:41】
但是。我不应该因为我认真对待了，所以我害怕我的生活的发展方向，或者我的未来，我觉得这些都只会给我们增加很多无法解决的压力，所以拥抱不确定性，而且不确定性不代表就是不好，就是因为不确定性，我们可能就是代表我们生活充满各种惊喜，这个惊喜可能是只有惊没有喜，也可能是又惊又喜。譬如说你遇到你自己喜欢的人，或者是你发现一家很隐蔽的，但是很好吃，你很喜欢吃的一个餐厅，那这些都是惊喜，就是喜多过惊，但是这种不确定性是给我们生活带来非常非常多的乐趣。
对，所以我就是说最重要就是活在当下，然后还有珍惜每一天。我觉得像Wing刚才问的那几个问题的话，我们能够得出的答案的唯一个方式就是热爱生活。就我觉得其实现在还每个人找到一个生活的意义，然后也非常认真的去对待它。嗯，好了，我们，我觉得我们再说的话可能就会，可能变得有点太说教了。对。观众可能已经听腻了，反正你们有什么想法的话，可以在我们评论区当中去评论哦。对的。
So, Wing, after talking about everything, anything that we can use in our IELTS test? Yes, there is a topic in part 2 of speaking test related to this topic.
Describe a piece of news that make you think a lot.
You should say what the news was, when you heard it, where you heard it, and explain why it made you think a lot.
Can you give us an example?
Of course. One piece of news that made me think a lot was the sudden death of a well-known public figure in China. I heard about it quite recently on social media where the news spread very quickly and immediately triggered a lot of public discussion. Later, I also read comments and articles about it and I ended up discussing it in depth while preparing a podcast episode.
那这里的话有几个单词比较好用的，那譬如说第一个是spread，spread 是传播的意思，那像这里的话是 news spread very quickly，就是新闻传播得非常非常快。然后下一个还有trigger，trigger 是引发的意思，那 trigger本来是表示枪上面那个扳机的意思，所以我们当我们一抠那个扳机，就trigger导致、诱发、引发一个子弹射出来，所以就是叫引起、引发，所以trigger这个单词也很好用。还有下一个的话就是in depth， depth是从deep来的， deep就是深度的意思，那in depth就是深度思考，所以discussing in depth.
What made this news especially striking was not just the event itself, but the reaction it created online. Almost instantly, people began offering explanations. Some said it was caused by overwork. Others blamed stress, lack of sleep or modern lifestyle in general. There were also rumours and very specific claims circulating online, even though there wasn't enough verified information to support them.
那这里的话也是有几个很好用的一个单词，譬如说striking，这个strike本来是表示碰撞，然后碰击这样子，但在这里的话就是我们碰了一下，所以我们印象特别深刻，特别引人注意，所以striking就可以表示某件事情非常突出，非常抓人。那确实我们刚才有提到说这件事情确实对我们来说冲击性很大嘛。
但是。我不应该因为我认真对待了，所以我害怕我的生活的发展方向，或者我的未来，我觉得这些都只会给我们增加很多无法解决的压力，所以拥抱不确定性，而且不确定性不代表就是不好，就是因为不确定性，我们可能就是代表我们生活充满各种惊喜，这个惊喜可能是只有惊没有喜，也可能是又惊又喜。譬如说你遇到你自己喜欢的人，或者是你发现一家很隐蔽的，但是很好吃，你很喜欢吃的一个餐厅，那这些都是惊喜，就是喜多过惊，但是这种不确定性是给我们生活带来非常非常多的乐趣。
对，所以我就是说最重要就是活在当下，然后还有珍惜每一天。我觉得像Wing刚才问的那几个问题的话，我们能够得出的答案的唯一个方式就是热爱生活。就我觉得其实现在还每个人找到一个生活的意义，然后也非常认真的去对待它。嗯，好了，我们，我觉得我们再说的话可能就会，可能变得有点太说教了。对。观众可能已经听腻了，反正你们有什么想法的话，可以在我们评论区当中去评论哦。对的。
So, Wing, after talking about everything, anything that we can use in our IELTS test? Yes, there is a topic in part 2 of speaking test related to this topic.
Describe a piece of news that make you think a lot.
You should say what the news was, when you heard it, where you heard it, and explain why it made you think a lot.
Can you give us an example?
Of course. One piece of news that made me think a lot was the sudden death of a well-known public figure in China. I heard about it quite recently on social media where the news spread very quickly and immediately triggered a lot of public discussion. Later, I also read comments and articles about it and I ended up discussing it in depth while preparing a podcast episode.
那这里的话有几个单词比较好用的，那譬如说第一个是spread，spread 是传播的意思，那像这里的话是 news spread very quickly，就是新闻传播得非常非常快。然后下一个还有trigger，trigger 是引发的意思，那 trigger本来是表示枪上面那个扳机的意思，所以我们当我们一抠那个扳机，就trigger导致、诱发、引发一个子弹射出来，所以就是叫引起、引发，所以trigger这个单词也很好用。还有下一个的话就是in depth， depth是从deep来的， deep就是深度的意思，那in depth就是深度思考，所以discussing in depth.
What made this news especially striking was not just the event itself, but the reaction it created online. Almost instantly, people began offering explanations. Some said it was caused by overwork. Others blamed stress, lack of sleep or modern lifestyle in general. There were also rumours and very specific claims circulating online, even though there wasn't enough verified information to support them.
那这里的话也是有几个很好用的一个单词，譬如说striking，这个strike本来是表示碰撞，然后碰击这样子，但在这里的话就是我们碰了一下，所以我们印象特别深刻，特别引人注意，所以striking就可以表示某件事情非常突出，非常抓人。那确实我们刚才有提到说这件事情确实对我们来说冲击性很大嘛。
转录16/19【44:03-46:48】
Yeah, I think maybe a more mature way to live is do the basics well, like what we talk about. Do the basics well, but don't worship them. Take your health seriously, but don't turn it into fear. Respect risk, but don't build your whole life around trying to eliminate every possible uncertainty or risk, because medicine is not all powerful. All the patterns, all the rules we set for ours is not all powerful. We cannot find every hidden problem in advance. We cannot prevent every tragedy, and we cannot save everyone. And that's the fact.
Yeah, I agree. So actually, another motto of mine is “you only live once and seize the days”.
Yeah, I always tell myself, embrace uncertainty, because uncertainty is not always bad. It can also bring happy surprises, like meeting people you love or walking into an amazing little hidden restaurant. There are surprises. They are good. So embrace the uncertainty.
Yeah, I remember I mentioned this, embrace the uncertainty in 2024, I guess, in the New Year Resolution episode, because like after experiencing many things, like I realize not everything is under control. So embrace the uncertainty can make myself happier. Yeah, yeah, and more comfortable, I guess.
Yeah, I think for me, I always try to ask myself these questions. How do I live well while I'm here? How do I live responsibly but not obsessively? How do I care for my body but not turn every habit into a moral drama? How do I take life seriously without becoming afraid of life itself?
Wow, well said.
Yeah, just try our best. And sometimes I make a very dark joke about life and death. I said like you just live once and sometimes you prepare everything. You try to be so cautious and careful about your life and then you walk out and probably one tragic traffic accidents happen and everything just poof.
这个时候我要讲，呸呸呸，不要讲这种，对对对，就是我们可以有这样子的生活态度，但是当然最好的话还是我们可以在最好的年纪享受最好的事情了。对，就拥抱不确定性，然后多问问自己，既然我还在这里，那我怎么生活得更好？我可以生活得更负责，而不是更执着。那我可以好好照顾我自己身体，不一定把它变成一个道德绑架的一个事情，我需要认真对待我的生活
Yeah, I think maybe a more mature way to live is do the basics well, like what we talk about. Do the basics well, but don't worship them. Take your health seriously, but don't turn it into fear. Respect risk, but don't build your whole life around trying to eliminate every possible uncertainty or risk, because medicine is not all powerful. All the patterns, all the rules we set for ours is not all powerful. We cannot find every hidden problem in advance. We cannot prevent every tragedy, and we cannot save everyone. And that's the fact.
Yeah, I agree. So actually, another motto of mine is “you only live once and seize the days”.
Yeah, I always tell myself, embrace uncertainty, because uncertainty is not always bad. It can also bring happy surprises, like meeting people you love or walking into an amazing little hidden restaurant. There are surprises. They are good. So embrace the uncertainty.
Yeah, I remember I mentioned this, embrace the uncertainty in 2024, I guess, in the New Year Resolution episode, because like after experiencing many things, like I realize not everything is under control. So embrace the uncertainty can make myself happier. Yeah, yeah, and more comfortable, I guess.
Yeah, I think for me, I always try to ask myself these questions. How do I live well while I'm here? How do I live responsibly but not obsessively? How do I care for my body but not turn every habit into a moral drama? How do I take life seriously without becoming afraid of life itself?
Wow, well said.
Yeah, just try our best. And sometimes I make a very dark joke about life and death. I said like you just live once and sometimes you prepare everything. You try to be so cautious and careful about your life and then you walk out and probably one tragic traffic accidents happen and everything just poof.
这个时候我要讲，呸呸呸，不要讲这种，对对对，就是我们可以有这样子的生活态度，但是当然最好的话还是我们可以在最好的年纪享受最好的事情了。对，就拥抱不确定性，然后多问问自己，既然我还在这里，那我怎么生活得更好？我可以生活得更负责，而不是更执着。那我可以好好照顾我自己身体，不一定把它变成一个道德绑架的一个事情，我需要认真对待我的生活
转录15/19【40:51-44:00】
就好像刚才Wing也举了一个例子，就好像夏天人们更常去游泳，然后冰淇淋的销量的话，会比一年中的其他时间更高。那然后就不可以把这两件事情，然后就把它给关联起来，就是说人们之所以吃更多的冰淇淋是因为他们游了泳。其实吃冰淇淋这件事情的话，第一个是夏天天气很热，所以我们需要一些东西来解热，然后就比较冷一点嘛。对。然后另外一个是我们游泳的时候我们就会脱水，所以我们需要补充相关的水分。那冰淇淋里面的话它有大量的水分，所以我们可能会吃冰淇淋，但不能我们直接就把它定性为像我们刚才讲的那个结论那样子。
对，所以这些都可以类比。我们还是保持一个比较理智的态度去读这些新闻，然后并且报一个最高的尊重去对待这些事情，特别是他们家人跟朋友是最难过的时候。
Yeah, that's true. So after all this, I think the most important point, like when we read the news, we would try to have some takeaways, try to learn something from whatever we heard. We learned. And for me, the takeaway from this news is everything is important. Sleep is important. Rest is important. Work matters. Family matters. Regular physical checkups are really important, significant. And on top of that, with a better mental preparation that we cannot control everything. That's what I learn from this news.
Yeah, I totally agree with you. Because, for me, like I was struggling with balancing my life and work and sleep and my body health. However, I just realize one thing I cannot have all like, because I think just like in our Chinese saying, like the fate is fair, 命运是公平的, right? You cannot have everything. You have to sacrifice. So after this incident, I just look back to my lifestyle and I also try to sacrifice something that is not so important to me. And I try to let go some work and started to do some exercise and I try to sleep more. Just like two days ago when I was very tired at 8 o'clock in the evening, then I was like, okay, I should stop working. Then I just turned on the do not disturb mode on my phone and I just slept until 6:00 in the morning and I woke up fresh. I was like, wow, life is beautiful. You know, before when I woke up at 6:00, then I was like, such a busy day. This is terrible. I'm so tired. Something like that. But after this lesson, then I'll just try to balance my life. Then I think we all need to prioritize something that we think is really important.
就好像刚才Wing也举了一个例子，就好像夏天人们更常去游泳，然后冰淇淋的销量的话，会比一年中的其他时间更高。那然后就不可以把这两件事情，然后就把它给关联起来，就是说人们之所以吃更多的冰淇淋是因为他们游了泳。其实吃冰淇淋这件事情的话，第一个是夏天天气很热，所以我们需要一些东西来解热，然后就比较冷一点嘛。对。然后另外一个是我们游泳的时候我们就会脱水，所以我们需要补充相关的水分。那冰淇淋里面的话它有大量的水分，所以我们可能会吃冰淇淋，但不能我们直接就把它定性为像我们刚才讲的那个结论那样子。
对，所以这些都可以类比。我们还是保持一个比较理智的态度去读这些新闻，然后并且报一个最高的尊重去对待这些事情，特别是他们家人跟朋友是最难过的时候。
Yeah, that's true. So after all this, I think the most important point, like when we read the news, we would try to have some takeaways, try to learn something from whatever we heard. We learned. And for me, the takeaway from this news is everything is important. Sleep is important. Rest is important. Work matters. Family matters. Regular physical checkups are really important, significant. And on top of that, with a better mental preparation that we cannot control everything. That's what I learn from this news.
Yeah, I totally agree with you. Because, for me, like I was struggling with balancing my life and work and sleep and my body health. However, I just realize one thing I cannot have all like, because I think just like in our Chinese saying, like the fate is fair, 命运是公平的, right? You cannot have everything. You have to sacrifice. So after this incident, I just look back to my lifestyle and I also try to sacrifice something that is not so important to me. And I try to let go some work and started to do some exercise and I try to sleep more. Just like two days ago when I was very tired at 8 o'clock in the evening, then I was like, okay, I should stop working. Then I just turned on the do not disturb mode on my phone and I just slept until 6:00 in the morning and I woke up fresh. I was like, wow, life is beautiful. You know, before when I woke up at 6:00, then I was like, such a busy day. This is terrible. I'm so tired. Something like that. But after this lesson, then I'll just try to balance my life. Then I think we all need to prioritize something that we think is really important.
转录14/19【37:54-40:50】
There's a huge difference between saying there may have been and underlying heart issue and saying it was definitely this exact disease for this exact reason. None of us is doctor. Without proper physical exams, even doctor wouldn't dare make a diagnosis. And even with test results, doctors often say something like there is an 30/40/90% chance that you have this disease. So none of us is doctor. I think to pay respect to his family, his friends, we shouldn't just jump to conclusion. Yeah that' s true。
那刚才问Wing提到，就是我们现在根据网上已有的资料来看的话， 2023 年就已经有一些报道说他当时有胸闷心悸这样子的症状，还住过院，就是张雪峰自己发出来的一个微博，那在我们的看来的话，这的确是需要注意，如果一个人有过这样子的症状的话，那大家就会在想说，那之前已经身体给你预警了，然后已经给你提醒了，然后是不是不应该这么拼呢？或是之类的.但是即便如此的话，但也不代表我们已经知道了那个确切诊断，那可能是存在潜在的心脏问题和肯定是这个病。这个就差很多了，因为我们不是医生，也没有正规的体检和检查，而且就包括医生的话，他也不敢轻易下一个诊断，因为医生其实也是非常严谨的嘛。是。就哪怕是我们去看医生，有一个体检报告，但医生也常常会说你可能有百分之多少是可能是这个病，然后他也不会说你肯定就是这样子。对，所以他可能是说你需要关注哪些方面，但不是说你必须要怎么样去做，所以的话我们为了尊重他们家庭，还有尊重张雪峰本人，然后我们可能也是不要看到这些只言片语的一个消息，然后就马上就下一个结论，因为这样子对他们来说也不是一个尊重的一件事情。对。
Another thing I wanna mention about relevance between two things, like we talk about the potential heart disease and then the running and then sleeping, right? When I read reports, scientific research reports, something called relevance. Relevance is a very interesting thing for me. For example, in summer, people keen to swim more. And also we read the facts that ice cream sales is higher than any time of the year. You can say there's some relevance between these two data, but you can't say one cause the other. You can't say people eat more ice cream because they swim more. That would be ridiculous for me when I read reports or when I read the numbers or always ask questions whether this is a cause, a real cause, or it's just relevance data. They are very difference. They don't directly draw to conclusions. Yeah, I agree.
对，那刚才Wing也是有讲到一个相关性，那就是说我刚才讲了很多，就是譬如说去跑步或是睡得很少，或是吃外卖这些的话，它可能是一个诱发的因素，但它不代表就是说一定是他死亡的一个原因。
There's a huge difference between saying there may have been and underlying heart issue and saying it was definitely this exact disease for this exact reason. None of us is doctor. Without proper physical exams, even doctor wouldn't dare make a diagnosis. And even with test results, doctors often say something like there is an 30/40/90% chance that you have this disease. So none of us is doctor. I think to pay respect to his family, his friends, we shouldn't just jump to conclusion. Yeah that' s true。
那刚才问Wing提到，就是我们现在根据网上已有的资料来看的话， 2023 年就已经有一些报道说他当时有胸闷心悸这样子的症状，还住过院，就是张雪峰自己发出来的一个微博，那在我们的看来的话，这的确是需要注意，如果一个人有过这样子的症状的话，那大家就会在想说，那之前已经身体给你预警了，然后已经给你提醒了，然后是不是不应该这么拼呢？或是之类的.但是即便如此的话，但也不代表我们已经知道了那个确切诊断，那可能是存在潜在的心脏问题和肯定是这个病。这个就差很多了，因为我们不是医生，也没有正规的体检和检查，而且就包括医生的话，他也不敢轻易下一个诊断，因为医生其实也是非常严谨的嘛。是。就哪怕是我们去看医生，有一个体检报告，但医生也常常会说你可能有百分之多少是可能是这个病，然后他也不会说你肯定就是这样子。对，所以他可能是说你需要关注哪些方面，但不是说你必须要怎么样去做，所以的话我们为了尊重他们家庭，还有尊重张雪峰本人，然后我们可能也是不要看到这些只言片语的一个消息，然后就马上就下一个结论，因为这样子对他们来说也不是一个尊重的一件事情。对。
Another thing I wanna mention about relevance between two things, like we talk about the potential heart disease and then the running and then sleeping, right? When I read reports, scientific research reports, something called relevance. Relevance is a very interesting thing for me. For example, in summer, people keen to swim more. And also we read the facts that ice cream sales is higher than any time of the year. You can say there's some relevance between these two data, but you can't say one cause the other. You can't say people eat more ice cream because they swim more. That would be ridiculous for me when I read reports or when I read the numbers or always ask questions whether this is a cause, a real cause, or it's just relevance data. They are very difference. They don't directly draw to conclusions. Yeah, I agree.
对，那刚才Wing也是有讲到一个相关性，那就是说我刚才讲了很多，就是譬如说去跑步或是睡得很少，或是吃外卖这些的话，它可能是一个诱发的因素，但它不代表就是说一定是他死亡的一个原因。
转录13/19【34:19-37:53】
Approximately some report claims 19.8 million lives in 2022 died of this disease, represent about 32% of all global deaths. So CAD could be the main cause. And that's why when we comes to Mr Zhang’s death, sudden death, a lot of people directly related to it, which makes sense because it's really, relatively speaking, it's really common for this kind of sudden death. But it's complicated. That's what I'm trying to say. Without further autopsy report, we cannot say whether or not this is the cause of his death, even it seems like it. So when we read news like that, I just wanna say we should be more specific and learn more before we just jump to the conclusion. Because when I say this event was heart related, it doesn't automatically tell me or tell you the root cause. Just like if my finger is bleeding, it could be just a scratch that a bandaid can fix. Or it could be serious enough that need to be hospitalized because I've cut an artery. Something like that. So we cannot just read the news and then jump to the conclusion.
对，其实刚才Wing讲到一个比较学术性相关的，就是现在根据报道来讲的话，张雪峰的死亡就是心源性猝死，顾名思义就是跟心脏是相关的，那虽然我们不是医生，但是Wing读到一些资料就是关于这些心血管疾病的话，其实最主要的一类就是冠状动脉疾病，也就是所说的CAD，那在 2022 年的时候大约造成了 1, 980 万人死亡。约占全球总死亡人数的32%，所以它是一个非常严重的一个疾病。那所以 CAD 可能是主要的原因，但并不一定是唯一的原因，因为的话，我们这个疾病的成因有很多，然后它死亡原因也很多，那譬如说遗传性的疾病，以及像这种心律失常、心肌病这样子的心脏结构问题的话，也有可能是参与其中。那我们现在还没有进行那个尸检，所以我们也不太清楚，所以只是进行一个猜想而已，对吧？对。然后还有另外一个事情，就是这件事情告诉我们。跟心脏有关系，但是不会告诉你根本的原因，就好像为Wing刚才举了一个例子，我的手指在流血，但它可能只是一个创可贴就可能解决的一个小划伤，但是也有可能是不小心割到那个什么动脉，对吧？然后严重到要去马上住院。所以的话，我们现在只是知道这一个医学名词，但是我们还不知道最根本的原因，或者是还有没有其他的成因，所以不能说只把这一个新闻这件事情，然后就当做是他最终的一个结果。对，我觉得就是对他的家人跟朋友一个最大的尊重就是不要瞎猜，我个人觉得就是不要给他下定论，就因为这些对他们来说就会造成二次伤害。看到这些报道。所以我觉得这些还是要为什么我想提这个事情，就是我个人觉得还是保持理智一点去看待这个事情，不要瞎猜。
Some people might bring up reports from 2023 says he had some symptoms like chest tightness and palpitations, etc, that he was hospitalized. But to me, it does sounds very severe and important, but it doesn't mean that's why.
Approximately some report claims 19.8 million lives in 2022 died of this disease, represent about 32% of all global deaths. So CAD could be the main cause. And that's why when we comes to Mr Zhang’s death, sudden death, a lot of people directly related to it, which makes sense because it's really, relatively speaking, it's really common for this kind of sudden death. But it's complicated. That's what I'm trying to say. Without further autopsy report, we cannot say whether or not this is the cause of his death, even it seems like it. So when we read news like that, I just wanna say we should be more specific and learn more before we just jump to the conclusion. Because when I say this event was heart related, it doesn't automatically tell me or tell you the root cause. Just like if my finger is bleeding, it could be just a scratch that a bandaid can fix. Or it could be serious enough that need to be hospitalized because I've cut an artery. Something like that. So we cannot just read the news and then jump to the conclusion.
对，其实刚才Wing讲到一个比较学术性相关的，就是现在根据报道来讲的话，张雪峰的死亡就是心源性猝死，顾名思义就是跟心脏是相关的，那虽然我们不是医生，但是Wing读到一些资料就是关于这些心血管疾病的话，其实最主要的一类就是冠状动脉疾病，也就是所说的CAD，那在 2022 年的时候大约造成了 1, 980 万人死亡。约占全球总死亡人数的32%，所以它是一个非常严重的一个疾病。那所以 CAD 可能是主要的原因，但并不一定是唯一的原因，因为的话，我们这个疾病的成因有很多，然后它死亡原因也很多，那譬如说遗传性的疾病，以及像这种心律失常、心肌病这样子的心脏结构问题的话，也有可能是参与其中。那我们现在还没有进行那个尸检，所以我们也不太清楚，所以只是进行一个猜想而已，对吧？对。然后还有另外一个事情，就是这件事情告诉我们。跟心脏有关系，但是不会告诉你根本的原因，就好像为Wing刚才举了一个例子，我的手指在流血，但它可能只是一个创可贴就可能解决的一个小划伤，但是也有可能是不小心割到那个什么动脉，对吧？然后严重到要去马上住院。所以的话，我们现在只是知道这一个医学名词，但是我们还不知道最根本的原因，或者是还有没有其他的成因，所以不能说只把这一个新闻这件事情，然后就当做是他最终的一个结果。对，我觉得就是对他的家人跟朋友一个最大的尊重就是不要瞎猜，我个人觉得就是不要给他下定论，就因为这些对他们来说就会造成二次伤害。看到这些报道。所以我觉得这些还是要为什么我想提这个事情，就是我个人觉得还是保持理智一点去看待这个事情，不要瞎猜。
Some people might bring up reports from 2023 says he had some symptoms like chest tightness and palpitations, etc, that he was hospitalized. But to me, it does sounds very severe and important, but it doesn't mean that's why.
转录12/19【31:53-34:16】
Like cardiac sudden death is very scary, isn't it?
Because the most important part in our body is our heart. If we stop bumping, then, yeah, then we will die, right?
Yeah, the heart is really important for everything. Basically, when it comes to medical cases. I mean, it used to, right now is more complicated to certify death, but usually when your heart stop beating, it pretty much say you death.
Well, Wing, I'm not so sure if I mentioned it before. Actually last year when I was very busy, I suffered from a very huge workload and I don't think you guys can imagine my working hours were. I don't really remember because like my teaching hours were probably 50 something hours a week. Like basically I work eight hours a day, but I still have to do preparation and also give feedback or whatever. So basically my working hours are very long. And at that time, I remember I experienced the chest tightness a couple of times. I don't know how to describe this feeling, but I don't feel well. Yeah, so this is not the worst case. It's like once when I was asleep, my chest hurt. Wow, then I was like, what the heck? Am I gonna die? So I was so scared. Then at that time, I realize like, I should stop working like this. Yeah, like crazily, I should balance my life and work.
Yeah, do regular physical checkups are really important. So you know whether you have a problem or not, or is like a permanent thing or is temporary thing. So you know better about your body if you do regular checkups. So what I try to say is, now here is the word cardiac sudden death in Chinese is 心源性猝死. So just based on the word, it shows it's related to the heart. It sounds very specific. But what I want to say here, I'm not the doctor, but from what I read, this kind of thing is very complicated. It's one kind of cardiovascular diseases. Cardiovascular disease is very common, especially the one called coronary artery diseases, or CAD, is a primary type.
Like cardiac sudden death is very scary, isn't it?
Because the most important part in our body is our heart. If we stop bumping, then, yeah, then we will die, right?
Yeah, the heart is really important for everything. Basically, when it comes to medical cases. I mean, it used to, right now is more complicated to certify death, but usually when your heart stop beating, it pretty much say you death.
Well, Wing, I'm not so sure if I mentioned it before. Actually last year when I was very busy, I suffered from a very huge workload and I don't think you guys can imagine my working hours were. I don't really remember because like my teaching hours were probably 50 something hours a week. Like basically I work eight hours a day, but I still have to do preparation and also give feedback or whatever. So basically my working hours are very long. And at that time, I remember I experienced the chest tightness a couple of times. I don't know how to describe this feeling, but I don't feel well. Yeah, so this is not the worst case. It's like once when I was asleep, my chest hurt. Wow, then I was like, what the heck? Am I gonna die? So I was so scared. Then at that time, I realize like, I should stop working like this. Yeah, like crazily, I should balance my life and work.
Yeah, do regular physical checkups are really important. So you know whether you have a problem or not, or is like a permanent thing or is temporary thing. So you know better about your body if you do regular checkups. So what I try to say is, now here is the word cardiac sudden death in Chinese is 心源性猝死. So just based on the word, it shows it's related to the heart. It sounds very specific. But what I want to say here, I'm not the doctor, but from what I read, this kind of thing is very complicated. It's one kind of cardiovascular diseases. Cardiovascular disease is very common, especially the one called coronary artery diseases, or CAD, is a primary type.
转录11/19【28:40-31:49】
Yes. I'm not so sure if Marathon is one of the extreme sports. If I'm wrong, just correct me.
Yeah, to be fair, exercise is always important for us, no matter what. We need to move our body. It’s good for us physically and mentally. And for me, I like running because I get that runners as high. All the dopamine makes me happier after running. So it give me not just physical help, but also mental help as well. Yeah, so I like running. After the news, I did some research. I just see whether workouts are really important or good for us. And then I read something from WHO, World Health Organization, and it reported in 2024 that 31% of adults worldwide still did not meet the recommended activity levels. The Rachel also says that people who are insufficiently active have a 20% to 30% higher risk of death than people who are sufficiently active. So overall, I think regular exercise still very good and protective.
Yeah, so one dramatic event does not suddenly cancel a huge body of evidence. Just like I mentioned, our body is really complicated. And so it's not just one body part stops functioning, then the whole body stops functioning, I think. Yeah, of course. Like the heart disease is an exclusive example. Yeah, so I think there are many reasons to be blamed, not just running.
也就是刚才提到的跑步运动，那大家可能听到消息，他在跑步机上面出事，然后就觉得不要剧烈运动了。但其实在世卫组织的 2024 年的报告中显示，其实我们 31% 的成年人其实是没有达到推荐的活动量，同时也指出运动不足的话，其实相比运动充足的人，死亡风险其实会高出 20% ~ 30%。所以其实说运动一般情况下是对我们有益的，适量的运动，但如果你说我从来不运动，突然去跑个半马、全马，这个是非常危险的。
对，我刚才也是提到，就是半马也要跑个二十几公里，全马就五十几公里（口误，全马42.195公里），我觉得这个已经算是极限运动了，就像我的话，我个人就是没有办法跑马拉松的，所以的话如果我们真的很忙的话，就不要去做太剧烈的运动。但是我觉得譬如说很忙的时候可以稍微做一些轻量的运动，像瑜伽什么的，这也算运动，对不对？
散散步也是挺好的。
对，散步，对，反正就是可以动一下，但不要完完全全就是不动。对。就不要走极端。对。
Again, like nothing goes to extreme is good. Just don't be too extreme. We try to balance whatever is happening in our life. Yeah, so here comes the big thing, the most trastic part of the news is the sudden death. A lot of us, including me, are very afraid of such a thing.
Yes. I'm not so sure if Marathon is one of the extreme sports. If I'm wrong, just correct me.
Yeah, to be fair, exercise is always important for us, no matter what. We need to move our body. It’s good for us physically and mentally. And for me, I like running because I get that runners as high. All the dopamine makes me happier after running. So it give me not just physical help, but also mental help as well. Yeah, so I like running. After the news, I did some research. I just see whether workouts are really important or good for us. And then I read something from WHO, World Health Organization, and it reported in 2024 that 31% of adults worldwide still did not meet the recommended activity levels. The Rachel also says that people who are insufficiently active have a 20% to 30% higher risk of death than people who are sufficiently active. So overall, I think regular exercise still very good and protective.
Yeah, so one dramatic event does not suddenly cancel a huge body of evidence. Just like I mentioned, our body is really complicated. And so it's not just one body part stops functioning, then the whole body stops functioning, I think. Yeah, of course. Like the heart disease is an exclusive example. Yeah, so I think there are many reasons to be blamed, not just running.
也就是刚才提到的跑步运动，那大家可能听到消息，他在跑步机上面出事，然后就觉得不要剧烈运动了。但其实在世卫组织的 2024 年的报告中显示，其实我们 31% 的成年人其实是没有达到推荐的活动量，同时也指出运动不足的话，其实相比运动充足的人，死亡风险其实会高出 20% ~ 30%。所以其实说运动一般情况下是对我们有益的，适量的运动，但如果你说我从来不运动，突然去跑个半马、全马，这个是非常危险的。
对，我刚才也是提到，就是半马也要跑个二十几公里，全马就五十几公里（口误，全马42.195公里），我觉得这个已经算是极限运动了，就像我的话，我个人就是没有办法跑马拉松的，所以的话如果我们真的很忙的话，就不要去做太剧烈的运动。但是我觉得譬如说很忙的时候可以稍微做一些轻量的运动，像瑜伽什么的，这也算运动，对不对？
散散步也是挺好的。
对，散步，对，反正就是可以动一下，但不要完完全全就是不动。对。就不要走极端。对。
Again, like nothing goes to extreme is good. Just don't be too extreme. We try to balance whatever is happening in our life. Yeah, so here comes the big thing, the most trastic part of the news is the sudden death. A lot of us, including me, are very afraid of such a thing.
转录10/19【26:29-28:38】
She said in one show, I don't need to make a lot of money because I only buy cheap things. And also she gave an example. Her earrings were really cheap. And then the audience asked her, so if it's that cheap, then the matter would be bad and that would cause your ears allergic. And she said like, well, the money that you save can just buy some medication to help you deal with that allergy. I really admire her attitude.
Yeah, me too. That's why it becomes my motto.
So since we talk about the chronotype, now, this is something that we wanna talk about during this episode. It’s about all the rumors or reasons or diagnosis of Mr Zhang's sudden death online. So that's what we wanna talk about. One thing is the chronotype, and then the other thing I wanna mention is about the running thing. Since we, Yao and I, talk so much about what happened to us before, we focus so much on our health, our physical appearance. And yeah, Mr Zhang did a lot of running as well. Yeah, I think he did half Marathon at some point.
Yeah, and he ran a lot. Once he said like, even though he only slept for a few hours, however, he would still insist running because he thought it was a good thing to do. Yeah, and Yao also mention. That after this news, your friend found a lot of gyms pretty empty.
Yeah, so I'm not so sure if it's because of the news. Like people care much about their physical well being before probably like they believe even though we were tired, we still need to exercise to maintain our physical and mental health. However, after these news, they stop going to the gym or whatever, I don't know, probably just an excuse.
Such an interesting timing. Yeah, I don't know if you know that, but I was told a long time ago whoever wanna do Marathon needs to be trained. You cannot just do it all at once. Even you're a runner, you still need to practice to do the Marathon. You can’t just like show up and finish it. It's different and it's really dangerous.
She said in one show, I don't need to make a lot of money because I only buy cheap things. And also she gave an example. Her earrings were really cheap. And then the audience asked her, so if it's that cheap, then the matter would be bad and that would cause your ears allergic. And she said like, well, the money that you save can just buy some medication to help you deal with that allergy. I really admire her attitude.
Yeah, me too. That's why it becomes my motto.
So since we talk about the chronotype, now, this is something that we wanna talk about during this episode. It’s about all the rumors or reasons or diagnosis of Mr Zhang's sudden death online. So that's what we wanna talk about. One thing is the chronotype, and then the other thing I wanna mention is about the running thing. Since we, Yao and I, talk so much about what happened to us before, we focus so much on our health, our physical appearance. And yeah, Mr Zhang did a lot of running as well. Yeah, I think he did half Marathon at some point.
Yeah, and he ran a lot. Once he said like, even though he only slept for a few hours, however, he would still insist running because he thought it was a good thing to do. Yeah, and Yao also mention. That after this news, your friend found a lot of gyms pretty empty.
Yeah, so I'm not so sure if it's because of the news. Like people care much about their physical well being before probably like they believe even though we were tired, we still need to exercise to maintain our physical and mental health. However, after these news, they stop going to the gym or whatever, I don't know, probably just an excuse.
Such an interesting timing. Yeah, I don't know if you know that, but I was told a long time ago whoever wanna do Marathon needs to be trained. You cannot just do it all at once. Even you're a runner, you still need to practice to do the Marathon. You can’t just like show up and finish it. It's different and it's really dangerous.
转录8/19【19:23-23:03】
但是的话，我就有提到一点，就是并不是每个人都适合这个规律，因为如果是像我们比较板上钉钉的，譬如说我们理科类的东西可能就是 1 + 1肯定是等于 2 的。但是如果在我们日常生活中的话就不一样，就正如我经常被我家人或者是被我朋友唠叨一件事情，就是说我睡得太少了，他怎么判断呢？他就说你看黑眼圈多大？我一开始的时候真的以为我睡的太少了，后来我现在要更正一下，其实我这个是祖传大眼袋，这是天生骨骼决定的，并不是因为我睡的少还是多，但是确实我睡的也不是特别多，他们总是跟我说中医所说的晚上 10 点钟是什么肝排毒还是肾排毒，我忘记了。那所以我们一定要在这个时间点睡，但是你想想我平时结束工作的时候，譬如说我 9 点钟结束工作，然后但是我结束工作之后还有很多收尾的工作，那我 10 点钟我可能才忙完，我怎么可以马上倒床就睡呢？对不对？所以每个人他都有自己的生物钟，然后我的生物钟就是我没有办法早睡，我也没办法早起。
对，每个人的状态是不是每个个体都是不一样的，所以我们也没办法以偏概全，我们还是要综合的掂量一下。By the way, when we talk about sleep, I found something very interesting. Just a fun fact. Why is that? When you talk about the bio clock, there's a word for, it's called chronotype. A chronotype. Basically, it's talk about our natural way of wakefulness and sleep at a specific times within a 24 hour cycle.
就是chronotype，也可以翻译成就是作息类型。
So it's a very interesting word here. There's a research to describe for us, for human being, there are four types of chronotypes. They are lions, bears, wolves and dolphins. So they use animals to describe different chronotypes. So lions are the early kind, wake early, energetic in the morning and productive before noon. Bears are the one who follow the sun, productive in the middle of the day, and wolves prefer late waking, high energy in the evening. And dolphins just eratic sleep patterns, often light sleepers. So there are four sleep types. That being said, everyone is different. Yeah.
那刚才Wing提到他有四种作息的一个类型，第一个是狮子，那大家也知道狮子是猫科动物，如果家里有养猫的话，也可以观察一下它们，它们就是早上到中午这个时间段的话是非常高效的，然后它们这段时间是非常非常灵敏的，那其它时间可能就是在睡觉，那如果像我们的熊，熊的话，就是跟着太阳，所以它们在太阳升起的时候，它们就是非常非常的高效，那这样子就是比较符合我们现代人，我们现代人想要的一种就是日出而作，日落而息，对吧？还有一种是狼，那狼的话它是晚上的时候特别地高效，然后它做事情也很快。那还有一种就是海豚，我不知道我的理论正不正确，但是我之前有读过一些文章，就是说海豚其实在睡觉的时候，它有一半脑在工作，然后另一半脑的话是睡觉这样子的，所以它是 light sleeper，就是它睡得很浅。
What chronotype do you think you are?
Well, right now I think I'm more like a wolf. However, I want to be a bear.
但是的话，我就有提到一点，就是并不是每个人都适合这个规律，因为如果是像我们比较板上钉钉的，譬如说我们理科类的东西可能就是 1 + 1肯定是等于 2 的。但是如果在我们日常生活中的话就不一样，就正如我经常被我家人或者是被我朋友唠叨一件事情，就是说我睡得太少了，他怎么判断呢？他就说你看黑眼圈多大？我一开始的时候真的以为我睡的太少了，后来我现在要更正一下，其实我这个是祖传大眼袋，这是天生骨骼决定的，并不是因为我睡的少还是多，但是确实我睡的也不是特别多，他们总是跟我说中医所说的晚上 10 点钟是什么肝排毒还是肾排毒，我忘记了。那所以我们一定要在这个时间点睡，但是你想想我平时结束工作的时候，譬如说我 9 点钟结束工作，然后但是我结束工作之后还有很多收尾的工作，那我 10 点钟我可能才忙完，我怎么可以马上倒床就睡呢？对不对？所以每个人他都有自己的生物钟，然后我的生物钟就是我没有办法早睡，我也没办法早起。
对，每个人的状态是不是每个个体都是不一样的，所以我们也没办法以偏概全，我们还是要综合的掂量一下。By the way, when we talk about sleep, I found something very interesting. Just a fun fact. Why is that? When you talk about the bio clock, there's a word for, it's called chronotype. A chronotype. Basically, it's talk about our natural way of wakefulness and sleep at a specific times within a 24 hour cycle.
就是chronotype，也可以翻译成就是作息类型。
So it's a very interesting word here. There's a research to describe for us, for human being, there are four types of chronotypes. They are lions, bears, wolves and dolphins. So they use animals to describe different chronotypes. So lions are the early kind, wake early, energetic in the morning and productive before noon. Bears are the one who follow the sun, productive in the middle of the day, and wolves prefer late waking, high energy in the evening. And dolphins just eratic sleep patterns, often light sleepers. So there are four sleep types. That being said, everyone is different. Yeah.
那刚才Wing提到他有四种作息的一个类型，第一个是狮子，那大家也知道狮子是猫科动物，如果家里有养猫的话，也可以观察一下它们，它们就是早上到中午这个时间段的话是非常高效的，然后它们这段时间是非常非常灵敏的，那其它时间可能就是在睡觉，那如果像我们的熊，熊的话，就是跟着太阳，所以它们在太阳升起的时候，它们就是非常非常的高效，那这样子就是比较符合我们现代人，我们现代人想要的一种就是日出而作，日落而息，对吧？还有一种是狼，那狼的话它是晚上的时候特别地高效，然后它做事情也很快。那还有一种就是海豚，我不知道我的理论正不正确，但是我之前有读过一些文章，就是说海豚其实在睡觉的时候，它有一半脑在工作，然后另一半脑的话是睡觉这样子的，所以它是 light sleeper，就是它睡得很浅。
What chronotype do you think you are?
Well, right now I think I'm more like a wolf. However, I want to be a bear.
转录7/19 【16:45-19:21】
I need to sleep like after 12 or something like that. So I kind of get used to it. So the people say, oh, you should sleep at 9 or you should sleep at 10 or something like that. But it doesn't apply on me because I'm not that kind of person. So this pattern doesn't work on me.
That sounds like my dad. Really? He always nags me like, hey, go to bed. Why are you still awake? You should go to bed early and wake up early. And the thing is, I can't. I just can't. I tried. I can't. And the funny thing is, my dad has a friend who is pretty old, like 80 years old or something, and he's pretty healthy, too.
He's supposed to sleep early and rise early, right?
Yes. And his physical check was good, you know, as good as an old man could have, right?
That sounds good.
And he said, I just can't go to bed early. I went to bed around 2,3:00.
Oh, that's crazy.
Here comes to what we wanna talk about, Mr Zhang. Everybody is unique. Our body is unique. Some people's inner clock is just later than others. Oh yeah, we just different. So it's not like, oh, you're not sleep enough, then definitely result in something bad. It's not that straightforward. Like my dad's friend, yeah, he's like, I just need to go to bed late. That's me. And I know some people who actually sleep like six hours and they still function as well. Some of my friends sleep nine hours. They wake up like they haven't slept at all night.
Well, I think everyone has their bio clock. Sleeping time is one thing and sleeping quality is another thing. That's why we go back to our topic today. Like there are many reasons why something happens, not just one, not just two. Like there are a lot. Yeah, exactly.
好了，所以我们刚才有提到说我们其实很喜欢，就是譬如说一个新闻出现之后，我们就会去寻找规律，譬如说我们这次我看到很多网上的人就说是因为他睡得太少了，他然后他运动太多了，跑太多步了，就跑步就是一个很大的一个问题。然后我们就会说那我们不要去跑步，其实我听我有一个朋友说，他说就是因为这件事情出现了之后，健身房的人人数都骤减了，有一些什么高峰期的时候，有一些健身房完全没有人，我觉得这个事情就有点太极端了，就是并不是说运动就一定不好，对吧？所以我们刚才也是讲了，其实我们人类天生就是喜欢去寻找规律的，然后有一些人他很擅长去找规律，所以他的数学、物理，然后这些理科类的东西都学的特别好。
I need to sleep like after 12 or something like that. So I kind of get used to it. So the people say, oh, you should sleep at 9 or you should sleep at 10 or something like that. But it doesn't apply on me because I'm not that kind of person. So this pattern doesn't work on me.
That sounds like my dad. Really? He always nags me like, hey, go to bed. Why are you still awake? You should go to bed early and wake up early. And the thing is, I can't. I just can't. I tried. I can't. And the funny thing is, my dad has a friend who is pretty old, like 80 years old or something, and he's pretty healthy, too.
He's supposed to sleep early and rise early, right?
Yes. And his physical check was good, you know, as good as an old man could have, right?
That sounds good.
And he said, I just can't go to bed early. I went to bed around 2,3:00.
Oh, that's crazy.
Here comes to what we wanna talk about, Mr Zhang. Everybody is unique. Our body is unique. Some people's inner clock is just later than others. Oh yeah, we just different. So it's not like, oh, you're not sleep enough, then definitely result in something bad. It's not that straightforward. Like my dad's friend, yeah, he's like, I just need to go to bed late. That's me. And I know some people who actually sleep like six hours and they still function as well. Some of my friends sleep nine hours. They wake up like they haven't slept at all night.
Well, I think everyone has their bio clock. Sleeping time is one thing and sleeping quality is another thing. That's why we go back to our topic today. Like there are many reasons why something happens, not just one, not just two. Like there are a lot. Yeah, exactly.
好了，所以我们刚才有提到说我们其实很喜欢，就是譬如说一个新闻出现之后，我们就会去寻找规律，譬如说我们这次我看到很多网上的人就说是因为他睡得太少了，他然后他运动太多了，跑太多步了，就跑步就是一个很大的一个问题。然后我们就会说那我们不要去跑步，其实我听我有一个朋友说，他说就是因为这件事情出现了之后，健身房的人人数都骤减了，有一些什么高峰期的时候，有一些健身房完全没有人，我觉得这个事情就有点太极端了，就是并不是说运动就一定不好，对吧？所以我们刚才也是讲了，其实我们人类天生就是喜欢去寻找规律的，然后有一些人他很擅长去找规律，所以他的数学、物理，然后这些理科类的东西都学的特别好。
转录6/19 【14:42-16:44】
Yeah. So to be fair, I think all of us try to learn something from others mistakes, so we can avoid that mistakes. What I can see is we love to find patterns in our life, right? Yeah, from others, from us, we would try to find the patterns, like the pattern of what is good life, the patterns to get rich, the patterns to get healthier, the patterns to get whatever you wanna get. So we want the patterns. I want patterns too. I love patterns. Or you can say it's a methods or patterns, which I found it very interesting because that's how our civilization gets better. For example, that's how our science becomes science, because we are looking for patterns. But when it comes to life, I think it's hard to find patterns. For example, what kind of patterns can guarantee you to find your partners? To be honest, life has so many things that we cannot expect.
Yeah, I think when you say you're really into patterns, probably you mean you're really into logic. And like what you mentioned earlier, like if we find the patterns, we can avoid some mistakes so that we can have a smoother life, we can have a better life or stuff like that, right? But don't forget like everyone is unique, like one's pattern can't be applied to another.
Yeah, I think the whole episode we try to say, don't do things too extremely, even finding patterns, don't go too extreme. Just try to find a balance. There's nothing is guaranteed. I don't think there's anything is guaranteed in our life.
No, nothing. Like almost everyone asks me, Yao, you should sleep earlier because you see you have a really terrible dark circles on your face. Then I was like, yeah, I tried to sleep early, but you know, for me, it's really hard for me to sleep early because I'm not that kind of person. I'm like a night owl.
Me too.
Yeah. So to be fair, I think all of us try to learn something from others mistakes, so we can avoid that mistakes. What I can see is we love to find patterns in our life, right? Yeah, from others, from us, we would try to find the patterns, like the pattern of what is good life, the patterns to get rich, the patterns to get healthier, the patterns to get whatever you wanna get. So we want the patterns. I want patterns too. I love patterns. Or you can say it's a methods or patterns, which I found it very interesting because that's how our civilization gets better. For example, that's how our science becomes science, because we are looking for patterns. But when it comes to life, I think it's hard to find patterns. For example, what kind of patterns can guarantee you to find your partners? To be honest, life has so many things that we cannot expect.
Yeah, I think when you say you're really into patterns, probably you mean you're really into logic. And like what you mentioned earlier, like if we find the patterns, we can avoid some mistakes so that we can have a smoother life, we can have a better life or stuff like that, right? But don't forget like everyone is unique, like one's pattern can't be applied to another.
Yeah, I think the whole episode we try to say, don't do things too extremely, even finding patterns, don't go too extreme. Just try to find a balance. There's nothing is guaranteed. I don't think there's anything is guaranteed in our life.
No, nothing. Like almost everyone asks me, Yao, you should sleep earlier because you see you have a really terrible dark circles on your face. Then I was like, yeah, I tried to sleep early, but you know, for me, it's really hard for me to sleep early because I'm not that kind of person. I'm like a night owl.
Me too.
转录5/19 【10:55-14:40】
对，就是当时张雪峰的事情出来之后，然后我家人就是跟我说，他说你看我都跟你说了，当你很忙很累的时候，千万不要去运动，不然就很容易会有心肌炎，可能就会猝死之类的。所以他们就是当时就是新闻一出来，他们就马上就这么跟我讲。
就大家都希望可以通过学习别人，或者是从别人犯的一些错误里面，我们可以学到一些东西，然后可以提升我们自己的生活，这也是可以理解的。
然后刚才Wing也提到说我们希望能够掌控一下我们生活嘛，我刚才也分享了，其实在 2024 年的时候，当我还没有这么忙碌的时候，那我就是非常非常地对运动这件事情非常非常着迷，可能一周我可能去个四五次、五六次那样子，那我之前在 2024 年的那些episodes，就是在我们的播客当中也有提到。我当时很喜欢去做那个普拉提，去打网球，那在这些运动的加持下的话，我就非常非常关注我自己的一个体脂率，还有我自己的体重，那我当时也有分享过，我当时最低的那个体脂率到了22，我觉得很有成就感，就是我当时不能控制我自己工作，但是我能够控制我的身体，所以就是让我觉得我还是有掌控权的，然后让我自己觉得比较安心一点。
yao这个经历其实我也经历过，就刚才也提到。就是一样的，就我当时我工作也是非常不可控，我不知道，我没有提过之前就其实我是转行做影视这一块的，我原本的专业是土木工程。
难以置信吧。
那所以当时压力是非常大的，其实有空我们可以聊一聊这种关于选择行业。
跨行跨界。
对，包括选专业这一块。然后当时压力很大，我的方式也是，既然我不能控制外部世界，那我就控制一下我的内部世界。换句话来说就是我的身体状况，然后yao就是体脂，那我当时是所有关于数字的我都要control，都要控制，就包括卡路里摄入量精准到个位数，然后那个每天跑多少公里，时长多少？然后运动量怎么我就全都算一轮，包括体重各种都开始算，然后就非常着迷，几乎是到了一个是入魔的状态，就一开始我这么控制，疯狂的控制的时候，我瘦的那个进程是比较明显的，然后我朋友就会开始担心我说你确定你 ok 吗？那从外表上来看，就从表象来说，我都是应该是挺好的，挺健康的。那事实上我觉得我当时应该是心理上，就心理层面上是不太健康的，所以才会导致我去做这个事情。
对，所以刚才我就提到一个概念，就叫做 control freak，就是控制狂。对。就说有时候我们可能好听一点叫做非常自律，然后难听一点你可能就变成了，就走极端的情况下可能就会变成一个控制狂。
Anything that goes too extreme is always not good.
Yeah, that's true.
I think our ancestors or Taoism or the Tai Chi, even the Tai Chi logo already tells us nothing is good when it goes extreme. It's always the white side has a black dot and the black side has a white dot because that's called balance.
Yeah, that's a very, that's the philosophy.
Yeah, if our listeners are interested in this kind of topic, we can talk about it too.
Yeah, I think probably some of them would be interested and you can share your comments. You can share your feelings into our comment section. And then so that we know what you're interested about.
对，就是当时张雪峰的事情出来之后，然后我家人就是跟我说，他说你看我都跟你说了，当你很忙很累的时候，千万不要去运动，不然就很容易会有心肌炎，可能就会猝死之类的。所以他们就是当时就是新闻一出来，他们就马上就这么跟我讲。
就大家都希望可以通过学习别人，或者是从别人犯的一些错误里面，我们可以学到一些东西，然后可以提升我们自己的生活，这也是可以理解的。
然后刚才Wing也提到说我们希望能够掌控一下我们生活嘛，我刚才也分享了，其实在 2024 年的时候，当我还没有这么忙碌的时候，那我就是非常非常地对运动这件事情非常非常着迷，可能一周我可能去个四五次、五六次那样子，那我之前在 2024 年的那些episodes，就是在我们的播客当中也有提到。我当时很喜欢去做那个普拉提，去打网球，那在这些运动的加持下的话，我就非常非常关注我自己的一个体脂率，还有我自己的体重，那我当时也有分享过，我当时最低的那个体脂率到了22，我觉得很有成就感，就是我当时不能控制我自己工作，但是我能够控制我的身体，所以就是让我觉得我还是有掌控权的，然后让我自己觉得比较安心一点。
yao这个经历其实我也经历过，就刚才也提到。就是一样的，就我当时我工作也是非常不可控，我不知道，我没有提过之前就其实我是转行做影视这一块的，我原本的专业是土木工程。
难以置信吧。
那所以当时压力是非常大的，其实有空我们可以聊一聊这种关于选择行业。
跨行跨界。
对，包括选专业这一块。然后当时压力很大，我的方式也是，既然我不能控制外部世界，那我就控制一下我的内部世界。换句话来说就是我的身体状况，然后yao就是体脂，那我当时是所有关于数字的我都要control，都要控制，就包括卡路里摄入量精准到个位数，然后那个每天跑多少公里，时长多少？然后运动量怎么我就全都算一轮，包括体重各种都开始算，然后就非常着迷，几乎是到了一个是入魔的状态，就一开始我这么控制，疯狂的控制的时候，我瘦的那个进程是比较明显的，然后我朋友就会开始担心我说你确定你 ok 吗？那从外表上来看，就从表象来说，我都是应该是挺好的，挺健康的。那事实上我觉得我当时应该是心理上，就心理层面上是不太健康的，所以才会导致我去做这个事情。
对，所以刚才我就提到一个概念，就叫做 control freak，就是控制狂。对。就说有时候我们可能好听一点叫做非常自律，然后难听一点你可能就变成了，就走极端的情况下可能就会变成一个控制狂。
Anything that goes too extreme is always not good.
Yeah, that's true.
I think our ancestors or Taoism or the Tai Chi, even the Tai Chi logo already tells us nothing is good when it goes extreme. It's always the white side has a black dot and the black side has a white dot because that's called balance.
Yeah, that's a very, that's the philosophy.
Yeah, if our listeners are interested in this kind of topic, we can talk about it too.
Yeah, I think probably some of them would be interested and you can share your comments. You can share your feelings into our comment section. And then so that we know what you're interested about.
转录4/19 【7:20-10:52】
Yeah, sometimes if we care too much about this and then we become a control freak. Yeah, if something is out of control, then we'll be freaked out and we gonna be helpless again. So this is a really bad cycling, I guess.
Yeah, it's like a spiral, downward spiral.
And sometimes even worse, like some control freak, they cannot control their life, then they will control their partner in their marriage. Like I've noticed a lot of couples around me like that. I don't know why. Like usually the girls will be the control freak and then they will just control everything there husbands have done, like what time they would go home, stuff like that, like too private and I'm not gonna mention here.
Yeah, I think I have some friends like that too. Yeah, but I'm afraid of the guy. So I saw. Him so miserable in his marriage because his wife tries to control a lot of things. But the thing is, even the wife tries so hard to control everything, it's something still she cannot control. I don't wanna talk about it too much, but it's not good for their marriage. But anyway
I hope his wife is not listening.
Okay? Yeah, I don't know his wife, so it's fine.
Who knows? Could be one of the followers here and then she might be the spy. Nah, I’m just kidding. Yeah. Oh my.
刚才一开始的时候，其实我们有提到我们最近的一个新闻，就是关于张雪峰，那非常痛心的是他在 3 月份的时候，然后就因为这个心源性猝死，然后就离开了我们。那事实上的话，他是一个非常有影响力的一个教育者，毕竟他之前有一些比较出圈的一些话语，那譬如说他当时有指导大家去填志愿，大家也知道其实志愿这个事情对我们来说是非常非常重要的，毕竟我们什么苦读了十几年就是为了能够考上一个好大学，然后以后找到一份好工作，所以填志愿这个事情的话，它是一个对我们人生来说是一个转折点吧。可以这么说。那他当时打破了信息差，然后给我们提供了很多很多的资讯，所以他确实帮助了很多人。那当时我的一个朋友，他也是一个老师，然后他就发出了这条新闻了之后，我们全部人都非常震惊，毕竟我们是在同一个行业当中，然后我们也工作量也很大，压力也很大，那当时好像给我们敲响了一个警铃那样子，就是说哦，我们要照顾好我们自己。
对啊，毕竟我们生活压力也是挺大的。所以当我们看到这个消息，其实大部分新媒体的文章或者视频，他们的切入点都会相对会标题党一点点，就是你看睡觉不睡就容易怎么样，那其实我自己觉得是相对武断的一种做法，因为刚才也提到说，其实我们大家生活压力这么大，其实我们都想我们可以有更大的控制权，对于我们的生活来说，所以当我们听到这种有比较快捷的解决方法的时候，其实我们很想抓住。因为这对于我们来说就可能发生在他身上的事情就不会发生在我身上了，因为我们做到了他没做到的事情，所以看文章我们第一的反应就是不要熬夜，不要工作太拼之类的这种。
Yeah, sometimes if we care too much about this and then we become a control freak. Yeah, if something is out of control, then we'll be freaked out and we gonna be helpless again. So this is a really bad cycling, I guess.
Yeah, it's like a spiral, downward spiral.
And sometimes even worse, like some control freak, they cannot control their life, then they will control their partner in their marriage. Like I've noticed a lot of couples around me like that. I don't know why. Like usually the girls will be the control freak and then they will just control everything there husbands have done, like what time they would go home, stuff like that, like too private and I'm not gonna mention here.
Yeah, I think I have some friends like that too. Yeah, but I'm afraid of the guy. So I saw. Him so miserable in his marriage because his wife tries to control a lot of things. But the thing is, even the wife tries so hard to control everything, it's something still she cannot control. I don't wanna talk about it too much, but it's not good for their marriage. But anyway
I hope his wife is not listening.
Okay? Yeah, I don't know his wife, so it's fine.
Who knows? Could be one of the followers here and then she might be the spy. Nah, I’m just kidding. Yeah. Oh my.
刚才一开始的时候，其实我们有提到我们最近的一个新闻，就是关于张雪峰，那非常痛心的是他在 3 月份的时候，然后就因为这个心源性猝死，然后就离开了我们。那事实上的话，他是一个非常有影响力的一个教育者，毕竟他之前有一些比较出圈的一些话语，那譬如说他当时有指导大家去填志愿，大家也知道其实志愿这个事情对我们来说是非常非常重要的，毕竟我们什么苦读了十几年就是为了能够考上一个好大学，然后以后找到一份好工作，所以填志愿这个事情的话，它是一个对我们人生来说是一个转折点吧。可以这么说。那他当时打破了信息差，然后给我们提供了很多很多的资讯，所以他确实帮助了很多人。那当时我的一个朋友，他也是一个老师，然后他就发出了这条新闻了之后，我们全部人都非常震惊，毕竟我们是在同一个行业当中，然后我们也工作量也很大，压力也很大，那当时好像给我们敲响了一个警铃那样子，就是说哦，我们要照顾好我们自己。
对啊，毕竟我们生活压力也是挺大的。所以当我们看到这个消息，其实大部分新媒体的文章或者视频，他们的切入点都会相对会标题党一点点，就是你看睡觉不睡就容易怎么样，那其实我自己觉得是相对武断的一种做法，因为刚才也提到说，其实我们大家生活压力这么大，其实我们都想我们可以有更大的控制权，对于我们的生活来说，所以当我们听到这种有比较快捷的解决方法的时候，其实我们很想抓住。因为这对于我们来说就可能发生在他身上的事情就不会发生在我身上了，因为我们做到了他没做到的事情，所以看文章我们第一的反应就是不要熬夜，不要工作太拼之类的这种。
Hi, everyone. It' s gossip English time. 尬聊英语时间又到啦。 This is Wing and I'm Yao. Let's learn English through gossip.
Hey, Yao, how's everything going? Have you heard the news of education influencer Zhang Xuefeng?
Yeah, of course. I'm so sorry for the loss. I remember the night when my friend, who is also a teacher, send a message to our group. I was so shocked. I couldn't believe it. Since we are in the same industry, my friends and I are also under a huge workload and pressure. As I mentioned before, at the time, it felt like a wake-up call for us, a reminder that we really need to take care of ourselves.
At first, I thought it was fake news. Oh, really? And I also didn't really learn it from official accounts or official channels. And it's more like in one of the group chat and someone suddenly say, oh, he passed away. So I thought like, oh, you must be some fake news. And then the next day everybody talked about it and I knew it was true.
Yeah, there are many haters on the internet, right?
Yes. Have you heard what his daughter reply to you? His friend, when his friends do a livestreaming, I think. What? I didn't watch that livestreaming. What happened?
People did a screenshot of what his daughter replied. His daughter said, let me do it in Chinese. “听说天上文曲星换届了，他让我爸爸去了。” Oh, that' s so sad. Such a white lie. 就好像一个善意的谎言那样子。我不知道他女儿知不知道这件事情，但说实话我觉得还是挺痛心的，他还这么年轻，女儿还这么小。
Yeah, he's such an impactful influencer and everybody knows him. And I felt it very shocked.
Yeah, same here.
But today I actually want us to talk about it from different perspective. Because when I read all those social media articles or videos, I found something very similar, which I quite disagree with. So today I'm going to talk about it with some different opinions. And I hope haters don't hate me.
No, I think people have different opinions. So it makes sense, right? If we have different opinions. So what is it about?