当两个剑桥大学的宇宙学博士开始思考AI的未来。英文后面是中文本集简介哦！ “About 80% of my work is now orchestrating AI.”“We just sit back and hope the decisions are in our best interest...” Lindley and Will were Zoe’s PhD colleagues at the University of Cambridge, all working in cosmology and gravity. Years later, their paths diverged - Will remained in academia, researching theoretical physics, while Lindley moved into finance and then founded an AI startup focused on safety systems. In this conversation, they reflect on how AI is already reshaping the way we work, from coding to scientific research. What does it mean when AI can do most of your job? Can we trust AI systems in high-stakes environments like banking or science? And what are the real risks behind the often abstract term “AI safety”? They also explore deeper questions: Will academia survive in the age of AI? What happens when decision-making is increasingly delegated to machines? And how might global power structures shift as AI capabilities scale? Tune in for a wide-ranging discussion on AI, science, and the uncertain future ahead. P.S. apologies that I cannot pronounce Will’s name correctly… I have a problem with the “l” sound. 从宇宙学到AI：听两位剑桥博士聊AI安全，以及它如何改变世界格局与未来 “我大约80%的工作是在调度不同的AI。”“我们只能干坐着，指望那些决定是对我们有利的...” Lindley 和 Will 是 Zoe 在剑桥大学读博时的同学，都有宇宙学与引力研究背景。几年过去，他们走上了不同的道路——Will 继续留在学术界研究理论物理，而 Lindley 则从金融转向 AI 创业，专注于AI安全与控制系统的构建。 在这期对话中，他们分享了AI如何正在改变工作的方式——从写代码到做科研。当AI已经能完成你大部分工作，这意味着什么？在银行或科学研究等高风险领域，我们真的可以信任AI吗？而“AI安全”背后，真正值得担心的风险又是什么？ 他们还进一步探讨了一些更深层的问题：AI时代下学术体系是否会被重塑？当决策逐渐交给机器，人类还剩下多少控制权？以及随着AI能力的扩展，全球权力格局又将如何变化？ 欢迎收听这场关于AI、科学与未来的深度对话。 P.S. Will同学我对不住你，我不大能发出“l”的音节，尤其是在一个词的末尾…… 你可以点击这个链接查看本期节目的中英文对照文本。 🎙️ Wondering Zoe Podcast如果你喜欢本期节目，欢迎留言或加入播客群（wx: runningzouzou），一起展开更多讨论！

(特别放送) 荷兰生活大揭秘：国际嘉宾的真实故事与独家见闻 英文之后就是中文播客简介啦！ Join us as we dive into the rich tapestry of Dutch culture in our latest episode! 🇳🇱 We’ve brought together a diverse panel of voices to share their experiences in Dutch society. In this episode, we explore: * The stereotypes of Dutch culture * The Dutch approach to directness and how it shapes their professional environment * Insights into work-life balance, language skills, and integrating into local communities * Challenges and strategies for thriving in a multicultural setting From professional networking tips to overcoming language barriers, and even adapting to Dutch communication styles in various industries, our panelists offer a comprehensive look at what it means to live and work in the Netherlands. 🌍 Meet Our Panelists! Yanji: 👋 Hi, I'm Yanji! I’m originally from China and have been living in the Netherlands for about five years now. I’m currently work at a Dutch-Swiss company in the digital transformation team. Guru: 🌟 Hey there! I’m Guru. I moved from India to the Netherlands in 2016 for my master’s degree and have been here for eight years. This year, I became a Dutch national, and I’m now working in a consulting firm. Christian: 🌌 Hello, I’m Christian! I’ve spent my entire life in the Netherlands. I’m an astronomer working at an observatory, and I’m excited to share my experiences with you all! Vivian: 🌍 Hi everyone, I’m Vivian! Born and raised in the Netherlands, and I have lived abroad in the UK for five years while pursuing my PhD in engineering. I recently returned to the Netherlands and am now working in Amsterdam as a modeling specialist. Don’t miss out on this engaging conversation that highlights the blend of openness, directness, and inclusivity that defines Dutch culture! 🎧 Listen now! 🇳🇱 这一期我们找来了几位有趣的嘉宾，分享他们在荷兰的亲身经历。 这一集，我们会聊到： - 荷兰文化的那些刻板印象 - 荷兰人直来直去的沟通方式对职场的影响 - 工作生活平衡、语言技巧，以及融入当地生活的小秘诀 - 在多元文化环境中如何迎接挑战和找到成功的办法 从Networking小技巧到如何克服语言障碍，还有适应荷兰各种行业的沟通风格，我们的嘉宾们会给你一份关于荷兰生活和工作的全面指南。🌍 🎤 让我们来认识一下嘉宾们吧！ - Yanji: 👋 大家好，我是Yanji！我来自中国，现在在荷兰生活了五年啦。我在一家荷兰-瑞士合资公司做数字化转型工作。 - Guru: 🌟 嘿，我是Guru。我2016年从印度来到荷兰读硕士，现在已经在这里八年了。今年我拿到了荷兰国籍，现在在一家咨询公司工作。 - Christian: 🌌 你好，我是Christian！我在荷兰生活了一辈子，还是个天文学家，在天文台工作，超开心能跟大家分享我的故事！ - Vivian: 🌍 大家好，我是Vivian！我在荷兰出生长大，曾在英国读了五年博士，现在回到荷兰，在阿姆斯特丹做化工建模专家。 🎧 快来听听这次有趣的对话，感受一下荷兰文化的开放、直率和包容吧！

S2E7: Tate - 我要过更有创造力和挑战的人生 Tate是细胞治疗专家，也是诗人，同时还是一个ADHDer。他出生在津巴布韦，小学时随家人来到英国，热爱运动，打过橄榄球，成绩一直很好，大学时去日本交换过一年，在那里度过了让他记忆深刻的一年。在读博士时，Tate陷入了深深的抑郁，在做抑郁症治疗时才被确诊为ADHD。 他现在在一家生物制药公司工作，喜欢旅游，尽管他觉得有的时候旅游更像是一种逃离。希望你喜欢Tate的故事。 也附上他的两首诗歌。 Tate's Poem I Do fish swim in the night? Drowning in desire Curiosity aflame I send flirtations in lingering gazes. The cheeky smile betraying intent If i were a fish. id be the first to bite the hook No words uttered Gaze kept We float around in anticipation. To greet would be the breaking of the spell If i were a fish, id be the first to sing the songs of the sea My libido a pendulum In perpetual motion It never rests Back and forth it carries me in rhythm If i were a fish, id be the first to drown in the sea 诗歌 I （ChatGPT翻译得很好哦） 鱼儿会在夜里游动吗？ 溺于欲望之中 好奇心在燃烧 我用滞留的目光传递调情。 调皮的微笑透露出意图 如果我是鱼，我会第一个咬钩 没有言语 眼神相对 我们在期待中徘徊。 问候会打破这种魔咒 如果我是鱼，我会第一个唱起海的歌谣 我的欲望如钟摆 永不停息 它从不休息 来回摆动，带我进入节奏 如果我是鱼，我会第一个在海中溺亡 Tate's Poem II Gotta catch em all (a dying innocence) Peek a boo Peek a chu I choose you Raise my self a flag at half mast Raise my self a man at long last An unknown world all you thought you knew A falsehood perpetuated by the ignorant In england you will find pounds on the streets. ‘See a penny … pick it up rub the queens nose’ Naive i saw a sheen on the tracks readying to jump. If not for my mother’s grasp. We all believed the same lore I wonder how long till the veil is lifted from all eyes. The dream dies slowly The truth eventually bears its ugly head. 3pm walking in the dark alone no one to hold my hand. I repeat well trained steps. Key in hand… lock the door behind yourself. If someone knocks do not answer. Television my sitter i perfected the second tongue. Absorbed curiosities knowledge propaganda in leu of dying innocence. Raise my self a flag at half mast Raise my self a man at long last An unknown world all you thought you knew A falsehood perpetuated by the ignorant How can it be??? Its its over 9000!!! Stress levels unmatched. Willingly or not i was transplanted from my natural habitat The bush of a country with its lands wide spreading golden sunsets giving To a land entrapped in the dying memories of empire Streets lined with yellow no red phone boxes in sight Oh but we do have david Beckham.. the spice girls. Never mind, mr bean is now decades old and mini owned by bmw. I trudge along onward Everyday when you’re walking down the street And everybody that you meet Has an original point of view And i say Hey Dont you dare touch my hair!! ‘Oh but it feels so strange so coarse rough Like iron wool!!’ It is no wonder i tried to change Chemical burns to a scalp, Tears in eyes how much longer, mom? S-curl or is it a perm? The childlike innocence eventually succumbs to the adults bigotry. Vestiges of empire. You cannot have your hair long.. you cant have your hair short Erased individuality. Be it short, afro, cornrows, sharp cut or dreads My naturality is not absurd You cannot plant your hand and pull as you did my lands. Raise my self a flag at half mast Raise my self a man at long last An unknown world all you thought you knew A falsehood perpetuated by the ignorant In my 20’s i finally grew that beard i strived for lest for a patch below the chin Guess i never truly grasped all i had to learn In my 30’s i sense a moustache coming in A new round of opportunities maturities to root Peek a boo Peek a chu I choose me Raise my self a flag at half mast Raise my self a man at long last 诗歌 II （ChatGPT翻译得很好哦） 得抓住所有（一个逝去的纯真） 捉迷藏 皮卡丘 我选择你 为自己升起半旗 终于成为一个男人 一个你以为了解的未知世界 被无知者延续的虚假 在英格兰，你会在街上找到硬币。 ‘看到一便士……捡起来，揉一揉女王的鼻子’ 天真地看到轨道上的光芒，准备跳下去。如果不是母亲的抓住。 我们都相信同样的传说 我想知道，多久后所有人的眼罩才会被揭开。 梦想缓慢地死亡 真相最终露出它丑陋的头。 下午三点，独自一人在黑暗中行走，无人牵手。我重复训练有素的步伐。 钥匙在手……锁上门。如果有人敲门，不要回答。 电视是我的保姆，我完美地掌握了第二语言。吸收了好奇心、知识和宣传，代替了逝去的纯真。 为自己升起半旗 终于成为一个男人 一个你以为了解的未知世界 被无知者延续的虚假 这怎么可能？？其其力量超过九千！！！ 无与伦比的压力。 不管愿不愿意，我被移植出了我的自然栖息地 一个乡村的灌木丛，广袤的土地，金色的日落 到了一个被帝国回忆困住的地方 街道上有黄色标志，没有红色电话亭 哦，但我们有大卫·贝克汉姆……还有辣妹组合。 没关系，憨豆先生已经数十年了，迷你车现在由宝马拥有。 我继续前行 每天，当你走在街上 每个人你遇到的 都有独特的观点 我说嘿 别碰我的头发！！ ‘哦，但感觉好奇怪，好粗糙 像铁丝毛！！’ 难怪我试图改变 化学烧伤头皮，眼中含泪 妈妈，还要多久？ S卷发还是烫发？ 童年的纯真最终屈服于成人的偏见。 帝国的遗迹。你不能留长发……你不能留短发 抹去了个性。 无论是短发、爆炸头、玉米辫、锐利剪裁还是脏辫 我的自然性并不荒谬 你不能像对待我的土地那样随意拉扯我的头发。 为自己升起半旗 终于成为一个男人 一个你以为了解的未知世界 被无知者延续的虚假 二十多岁时，我终于长出了梦寐以求的胡子，除了下巴下的一小块 我似乎从未真正掌握所有需要学习的东西 三十多岁时，我感觉到胡子正在长出来 一个新的机会和成熟期开始扎根 捉迷藏 皮卡丘 我选择我自己 为自己升起一面旗

Verity - 我的确是个学霸，但我想告诉你ADHDer读博士的体验有如渡劫 英文之后就是中文播客简介啦！ Verity's story is one of those rollercoaster rides through life that you won't soon forget. She's here to share her journey, from her late ADHD diagnosis to the ups and downs of not one, but two PhD journeys. Yep, you heard that right—two! From her humble beginnings studying history to her bold leap into the realm of code, Verity's career path was anything but straightforward. But boy, is it fascinating? Oh, and meds? Verity is not holding back on sharing her personal experiences. From the highs to the lows, she's giving us the real deal. But here's the best part: Verity's not just here to talk about the tough stuff. Nope, she's dishing out some seriously helpful tips for managing ADHD like a boss. Think clear instructions, killer communication skills, and most importantly, a big ol' dose of self-compassion. Verity's all about breaking down barriers for folks with disabilities and shining a light on ADHD awareness. Trust me, you won't want to miss this one! If Verity's story hits close to home and you're on the lookout for a little extra support with your ADHD journey, I'm here to lend an ear. Shoot me a message at contact@wonderingzoe.com, and let's chat. Remember, you're not alone, and together, we've got this. Oh, and don't forget to check out my ADHD coach website at wonderingzoe.com for even more resources and support. Can't wait to connect! ADHD专题的第6弹来啦！Verity的故事绝对让你感受到人生的大起大落。 牛津剑桥她都上过，而且读了不止一个博士，一个是历史学，一个是计算机科学，跨度之大令人钦佩，这不是学霸是什么？但是，她也经历过深深地挫败，直到几十年之后，她大才被诊断出患有ADHD。 在本集里，Verity毫不掩饰地分享她药物治疗的个人经验，还分享了一些非常实用的管理ADHD症状的技巧。来听听Verity的故事吧！ 如果 Verity 的故事让你有所触动，而你正在寻找一些额外的支持来应对你的 ADHD 旅程，不妨给我发个邮件，WonderingZoe0526@gmail.com，咱们聊聊吧。记住，你不是一个人哦，我们一起加油！ 啊，对了，别忘了查看我的网站www.wonderingzoe.com，你会对我有更多的了解😄 Music: "Eyes They're Closed" by Kaytsak

Chanti - 我有ADHD，我是英语恐怖小说作家 英文之后就是中文播客简介啦！ Hey there, folks! Welcome back to Wondering Zoe, where we get up close and personal with some seriously cool people. Today, we've got Chanti in the hot seat - a writer, event wizard, and all-around awesome human. She only found out about her ADHD later on, and the way she figured it out is downright hilarious! You've gotta hear this story! When chatting about her childhood, Chanti dropped this gem: "I was a total charmer as a kid, but let's be real, I was also a bit of a weirdo." She opened up about her ADHD journey from way back then till now. Back in the day, there was zilch support for neurodivergent students, and awareness? Forget about it! She had to navigate it all without much confidence in her abilities, no matter how awesome they were! It wasn't until Chanti stumbled into a creative writing course that her passion for storytelling truly ignited. Did Chanti jump straight into the writing gig after her college stint? Nope! Despite hitting up an arts college in the UK to fine-tune her writing chops, she had to hustle with a bunch of other jobs before she could really immerse herself in the writing world. Now, fast forward a bit, and Chanti's got some seriously killer novels under her belt - literally. She published Angel Manor (Lucifer Falls Book 1) and Doll Manor (Lucifer Falls Book 2) and other works. If you're into heart-pounding, edge-of-your-seat horror reads, Chanti's your gal. And hey, if you're itching to check out more of Chanti's work, head over to her website at www.chantalnoordeloos.com and prepare to be spooked! If Chanti's story hits close to home and you're on the lookout for a little extra support with your ADHD journey, I'm here to lend an ear. Shoot me a message at contact@wonderingzoe.com, and let's chat. Remember, you're not alone, and together, we've got this. Oh, and don't forget to check out my ADHD coach website at wonderingzoe.com for even more resources and support. Can't wait to connect! About me Hi, I am Zoe Ye, a human being who failed to live a conventional life. I have a deep interest in people and their choices of life. In my podcast, I will be having conversations with individuals who are open to talk about their mental journeys in life. Music: "Eyes They're Closed" by Kaytsak 宝子们！欢迎回到“Wondering Zoe”！在这里，我们将和一些超酷的人进行亲密接触。今天，我们有幸邀请到 Chanti，她是一位作家、活动组织达人，还是个全能型的超赞人物。你知道吗？她直到三十四岁才发现自己患有注意力不足过动障碍（ADHD），而她是怎么发现的简直太逗了！这个故事你一定得听听！ 在谈论她的童年时，Chanti 说了这么一段：“小时候我可是个万人迷，但老实说，我也有点怪。”她坦白了自己从小到大的 ADHD 之旅。那时候，对于神经多样性的学生，根本没有什么支持，也没人在意。她得在不太相信自己能力的情况下独自应对一切，无论她有多厉害！ 直到 Chanti 在高中时偶然参加了一门创意写作课程，她对讲故事的热情才真正被点燃。Chanti 在大学毕业后马上就开始了写作事业吗？哎呀，可没那么简单！尽管她在英国的艺术学院进修了创意写作，但在真正进入写作行业之前，她还得忙着打零工。现在，再快进一点，现在的Chanti 已经出版了一些超赞的小说——真的是超赞！她出版了《天使庄园》（路西法的坠落第1部）和《娃娃庄园》（路西法的坠落第2部）等作品。如果你喜欢心跳加速的恐怖读物，那么快去她的网站 www.chantalnoordeloos.com 看看吧，准备好被吓到哦！ 如果 Chanti 的故事让你有所触动，而你正在寻找一些额外的支持来应对你的 ADHD 旅程，不妨给我发个邮件，contact@wonderingzoe.com，咱们聊聊吧。记住，你不是一个人哦，我们一起加油！ 啊，对了，别忘了查看我的网站www.wonderingzoe.com，你会对我有更多的了解😄

Veronica: 一位ADHD妈妈在学术圈的奇妙漂流 英文之后就是中文播客简介啦！ Riding the ADHD Rollercoaster: A Mom's Odyseey through Academia Dr. Veronica Allen is a postdoctoral astronomer from the United States, currently living in the Netherlands, and a mother of two. She is imaginative, empathetic, and unafraid to break the mold. In this episode, Veronica openly shares her experiences navigating academia, parenting, and the daily challenges of living with ADHD. She is not only a scientist but also a determined mother, advocating for her daughter with ADHD against outdated school systems and indifferent teachers. Veronica goes beyond her personal story - she takes us behind the scenes of her academic career, revealing the extra pressures ADHD brings, the burnout, and the constant balancing act of motherhood. She has learned to run through the storm while finding a path forward, providing support for those in need and paving new ways for neurodivergent individuals striving to succeed in academia. This is Veronica’s true story: candid, real, and full of life. If you’d like, you can reach out to me to be your ADHD coach (wonderingzoe.com), helping you understand your symptoms and find the best strategies for learning, work, relationships, and life. You are also welcome to share feedback on my podcast. Thank you! Music: “Eyes They’re Closed” by Kaytsak (licensed use) Veronica Allen博士，她是一位来自美国，现居荷兰的天文学博士后，同时也是两个孩子的妈妈，她不墨守成规，富有想象力与同理心。在这期播客中，Veronica毫不保留地分享了她在学术、育儿以及与ADHD斗智斗勇的经历。 她不仅是一个科学家，更是一个使命必达的妈妈，为了患有ADHD的女儿与那些陈旧的学校制度和漠不关心的老师抗争。而Veronica不仅关心女儿的挑战，还带领我们深入她学术生涯的幕后，那里充满了ADHD带来的额外压力、burnout，同时她还得兼顾妈妈的身份，所以她必须学会拼命在飓风中狂奔，同时找到前行的路径，为那些需要的人提供遮风挡雨的伞，为和她一样想要在学术界走得更远的neurodivergent族群铺平新的道路。 这就是Veronica的真实故事，直白、真实，又活泼有趣。 欢迎你联系我做你的ADHD coach (wonderingzoe.com)，帮助你了解你的ADHD症状，找到最适合你的方式学习，工作，亲密关系与生活。 也欢迎你给我的播客节目提意见。谢谢！ Music: "Eyes They're Closed" by Kaytsak，授权使用

Will - 你得自己过得舒服，才能更好享受世界 英文之后就是中文播客简介啦！ Will is a PhD student in astrophysics who was diagnosed with dyslexia and ADHD during his childhood and has been taking ADHD medication ever since. While his grades wouldn’t be as strong without medication, he sometimes worries about becoming too dependent on it and losing a part of himself. We share a lot in common - for example, neither of us likes meetings or meaningless small talk, and we both enjoy talking freely about whatever comes to mind. He is also very passionate about sports, saying that he would absolutely go crazy if he didn’t exercise. In this episode, we discuss his diagnostic journey, his thoughts on ADHD medication, and his personal experiences and reflections as someone with ADHD. We also chat a bit about why people feel the need to pretend to listen attentively to others. This episode was recorded remotely - while I was in Madrid, Will was in Leiden. This is Season 2, Episode 3 of Wondering Zoe, the third episode of this season. In this season, I invited eight friends to talk about their complex relationships with ADHD. If you don’t know much about ADHD, check out the brief introduction at the end. You’re welcome to contact me to be your ADHD coach (wonderingzoe.com), helping you understand your symptoms and find the best strategies for learning, work, relationships, and life. You are also welcome to share feedback on my podcast. Thank you! Music: “Eyes They’re Closed” by Kaytsak (licensed use) Will，天文物理专业的博士研究生，在成长过程中就已经被诊断为阅读障碍和ADHD，并且一直在服用ADHD药物。虽然没有吃药的话自己成绩不会那么好，但也会担心自己会不会太过依赖药物，失去了部分的自我。 我们有很多共同点，比如不喜欢开会，不喜欢无意义的small talk，喜欢自顾自地说话。 他非常喜欢运动，他说，如果不运动的话，他绝对会疯掉。 在这一集里面，我们聊了他诊断的经历，他对ADHD药物的看法，他作为ADHDer的一些心路历程和看法，并且我们还一起瞎聊了一下为什么大家都要假装非常认真地听别人讲话。 录制这期节目的时候，我在马德里，他在莱顿，通过远程的方式完成了这次录制。这是Wondering Zoe的第2季，第3期，也是本季的第三集。在这一季里，我邀请了8位朋友谈一谈他们与ADHD爱恨情仇。 欢迎你联系我做ADHD coach (wonderingzoe.com)，帮助你了解你的ADHD症状，找到最适合你的方式学习，工作，亲密关系与生活。 也欢迎你给我的播客节目提意见。谢谢！ Music: "Eyes They're Closed" by Kaytsak，授权使用

Martha - 我有一个ADHD妈妈，我从小就下定决心要和她不一样 英文之后就是中文播客简介啦！ This season, we’re talking about ADHD. If you don’t know much about ADHD, please check out the brief introduction at the end. Martha is a serial entrepreneur and executive/academic coach. Her coaching studio is called “Now Go Flourish.” She is a mother, and also a fitness, adventure, and spiritual enthusiast. Because her mother has ADHD, Martha felt lost and anxious during her childhood. From an early age, she decided she would not let life or ADHD push her around like her mother. Although Martha openly acknowledges that she is also on the ADHD spectrum, she might be the most organized person I know - her level of orderliness is truly astonishing. This made me think: if we could understand ourselves earlier, make a firm decision to live the life we want, and (relentlessly) find methods that suit us, maybe anyone could get closer to the life they want - still messy and uncertain at times, but with less self-blame and more confidence. This episode was recorded remotely - while I was in Paris, Martha was in the United States. This is Season 2, Episode 2 of Wondering Zoe, the second episode of this season. In this season, I invited eight friends to talk about their complex relationships with ADHD. If you’re interested in Martha’s coaching services, she offers a free 30-minute consultation（website）. You can book it via her website. (This is a voluntary mention - no money involved 😁) You are also welcome to contact me to be your ADHD coach (wonderingzoe.com), helping you understand your ADHD symptoms and find the best strategies for learning, work, relationships, and life. You are also welcome to share feedback on my podcast. Thank you! 这一季我们聊ADHD。如果你对ADHD一点了解也没有，请看一下文末对ADHD的简单介绍。 Martha，连续创业者，exective/acadmic coach，她的coach工作室叫“Now Go Flourish”。她是一位母亲，同时也是一位健身、冒险和灵性爱好者。 因为母亲有ADHD，让Martha在童年时期惶恐无助，所以她从小就下定决心，不能像母亲一样，被生活、被ADHD推着走。尽管Martha坦诚自己也在ADHD的spectrum上，但是Martha可能是我认识的最有条理的人了——她有条理的程度简直让人诧异。 这让我想到，如果能早一点了解自己，下定决心过上自己想要的生活，（拼了命地）努力找到适合自己的方法，是不是所有人都可以离自己想要的样子近一点，虽然也慌张，也messy，但是可以少一点自责，多一点自信。 录制这期节目的时候，我在巴黎，她在美国，通过远程的方式完成了这次录制。这是Wondering Zoe的第2季，第2期，也是本季的第二集。在这一季里，我邀请了8位朋友谈一谈他们与ADHD爱恨情仇。 如果你对Martha的教练服务感兴趣，她提供一个免费的30分钟咨询，预约只需访问她的网站。这是义务广告，没有收钱哒😁 也欢迎你联系我做你的ADHD coach (wonderingzoe.com)，帮助你了解你的ADHD症状，找到最适合你的方式学习，工作，亲密关系与生活。 也欢迎你给我的播客节目提意见。谢谢！ Music: "Eyes They're Closed" by Kaytsak，授权使用

Claire - ADHD让我过往的人生完全错位 英文之后就是中文播客简介啦！ This season, we’re talking about ADHD. If you don’t know much about ADHD, please check out the brief introduction at the end. I met Claire in an ADHD course - a truly special one. Most of the participants had struggled deeply with ADHD. Often, the teacher would barely begin the lesson before someone started crying, and then the teacher would join in (the teacher herself also has ADHD). It’s no exaggeration to say that every class began and ended in tears. ADHD symptoms are not always obvious during childhood and can vary widely from person to person. Many people who are diagnosed only in adulthood often feel “different” growing up, but can’t quite describe how. Before an ADHD diagnosis, many may first be diagnosed with other issues - such as depression, anxiety, low self-esteem, or social difficulties. However, these challenges often stem from ADHD itself. Without understanding its root causes, treatment may only address surface-level problems rather than the true core. Claire, today’s guest, discovered she had ADHD halfway through her life. The struggles that had followed her since she was four or five years old finally made sense, and she found a new sense of direction. Claire worked in the insurance industry for over twenty years, but the job never truly inspired her. Although she had tried to leave the field before, she always ended up coming back. This time, though, she is determined to pursue something more meaningful - helping others with ADHD understand themselves, face challenges, and find their own ways to live with more ease, less struggle, and more joy. Let’s listen to Claire’s story. The way she tells it is so moving - it brought tears to my eyes more than once. This episode was recorded remotely - while I was in Paris, Claire was in the UK. This is Season 2, Episode 1 of Wondering Zoe, the first episode of this season. In this season, I invited eight friends to share their love-hate relationship with ADHD. Music: “Eyes They’re Closed” by Kaytsak (licensed use) If you’d like an ADHD coach to help you understand your symptoms and find the best ways to learn, work, love, and live, you can visit my website: wonderingzoe.com. You’re also welcome to share your feedback on the podcast. Thank you! 这一季我们聊ADHD。如果你对ADHD一点了解也没有，请看一下文末对ADHD的简单介绍。 我是在一个ADHD的课程上遇到Claire的，这是一个很奇妙的课程，绝大多数人都是吃了很多ADHD的苦，经常老师课还没讲几分钟，同学就开始哭，然后老师也开始哭（老师本身是一个ADHDer）。不夸张的说，每一节课都是在哭声中开始，在哭声中结束。 ADHD的症状可能在儿童时期并不总是明显，而且它的表现也因人而异。成年后才确诊ADHD的人，在成长的过程中可能经常会有“我好像和别人不大一样”的感觉，但是很多时候描述不出来到底哪里不一样。在ADHD确诊之前，很多人可能会被诊断出其他问题，例如抑郁、焦虑、自尊心问题以及社交困难。然而，这些问题的根源实际上可能源自ADHD。如果个体不了解ADHD的根本原因，治疗往往只是应对这些相对表面的问题，而无法解决其真正的核心问题。 这一集的嘉宾Claire就是在活了半辈子之后才发现，自己原来有ADHD，那些从四五岁就困扰着她的问题终于有了答案，自己的人生似乎有了新的方向。Claire在保险业工作了二十多年，但这个职业从未真正吸引她，尽管她曾试图离开，但最终还是回到了原点。但是这一次，她坚定了自己的想法，她想要帮助那些和她一样的ADHDer，帮助他们了解ADHD，找到适合自己的方法去面对自我，面对挑战，让他们少吃一点苦，多享受到些人生的乐趣。 让我们来听听Claire的故事吧。她讲的太有感染力，让我湿了好几次眼眶。 录制这期节目的时候，我在巴黎，她在英国，通过远程的方式完成了这次录制。这是Wondering Zoe的第2季，第1期，也是本季的第一集。在这一季里，我邀请了8位朋友谈一谈他们与ADHD爱恨情仇。 Music: "Eyes They're Closed" by Kaytsak，授权使用 如果你需要ADHD coach，帮助你了解你的ADHD症状，找到最适合你的方式学习，工作，恋爱与生活，可以查看我的ADHD coach网站wonderingzoe.com. 也欢迎你给我的播客节目提意见。谢谢！

Avi - 四个国家，两个儿子，但自己只有一个 英文之后就是中文播客简介啦！ Avi, originally from Israel, is a mother of two now living in the Netherlands. Together with her husband, she has moved from Israel to Japan, then to the United States, back to Israel, and most recently, to the Netherlands. In Japan, she experienced quite the culture shock - she learned that when Japanese people say “maybe,” they actually mean “no,” which completely stunned her straightforward Israeli mind. She also shared her experience of giving birth to her first child in Japan. Later, in the United States, while her husband’s career was thriving, Avi faced her own challenges - after a full year of job hunting without success, she finally managed to make a career transition through sheer persistence. Looking back, she now sees these experiences not as sacrifices, but as opportunities for her and her family to grow together. This episode was recorded remotely - while I was in the UK, Avi was in the Netherlands. This is Season 1, Episode 8 of Wondering Zoe, and also the final episode of the season. In this season, Zoe invited eight friends with cross-cultural experiences to share their inner journeys as foreigners living abroad. Want to hear more stories about life in Japan? Check out S1E5 Felicia and S1E7 Hiddo for their experiences living there. Music: “Eyes They’re Closed” by Kaytsak (licensed use) Sound Engineer: 嘉琳 Avi，以色列人，两个孩子的母亲，现居荷兰。和丈夫一起从以色列到日本，然后到美国，再回以色列，最近来到荷兰。她被日本文化冲击，学到了日本人说“maybe”的意思是“No”，这让她这颗直率的以色列小脑瓜震惊不已。她还分享了在日本生下第一个孩子的经历。 再到美国，丈夫的事业顺利，但她却很烦恼——拼尽全力找了一年工作仍然未果，咬牙坚持下去，终于完成了职业转型。回望过去，她更愿意将这些看作是自己和家庭共同成长的机会，而不是牺牲。 录制这期节目的时候，我在英国，她在荷兰，通过远程方式完成了这次录制。这是Wondering Zoe的第1季，第8期，也是本季的最后一集，Zoe邀请了8位有异国文化经历的朋友谈一谈他们作为异乡人的心灵体验。 想听更多长住日本的体验吗？可以转到本播客S1E5 Felicia 和 S1E7 Hiddo 的故事，了解他们在日本的经历。 Music: "Eyes They're Closed" by Kaytsak，授权使用 音效工程师：嘉琳

Hiddo - 从荷兰到日本工作，我并没有太多犹疑 英文之后就是中文播客简介啦！ In this episode, Wondering Zoe invites Hiddo, who lives in Higashihiroshima, Japan, to share his life experiences since moving from the Netherlands to Japan. As a nearly two-meter-tall Dutchman, what made him decide to live in Japan? And how has he adapted to a culture and lifestyle so different from his own? Tune in to hear Hiddo’s fascinating stories from Japan - including his hilarious take on Japan’s “bizarre” COVID testing method, how he survived a scorching summer mountain hike with spring water, and his lighthearted complaints about how Japanese people ride bicycles (classic Dutch humor!). After listening to Hiddo’s story, you might also want to check out Felicia’s episode. Felicia, who now lives in the Netherlands and once worked in Tokyo, offers a different perspective on life in Japan. This is Season 1, Episode 7 of Wondering Zoe. In this season, Zoe invites eight friends with cross-cultural experiences to share their emotional journeys as foreigners living abroad. If you enjoy this series, please leave a comment or message — your encouragement helps me keep going. Thank you! Sound Engineer: Jialin Music: “Eyes They’re Closed” by Kaytsak (licensed use) 在这期节目中，Wondering Zoe邀请了身在日本东广岛市的Hiddo，与大家分享了他从荷兰来到日本的生活经历。作为一个身高接近两米的荷兰人，他为什么会选择来到日本生活呢？他又是如何适应这个与荷兰截然不同的文化和生活呢？点击本集，听他在日本的有趣经历，包括他描述的日本巨奇特COVID测试法，如何三伏天在爬山途中用山泉水续命，以及他是如何吐槽日本人骑自行车的（老Dutch啦）。 收听完Hiddo的经历，也许你可以再听听Felicia的这一集 。Felicia现居荷兰，曾在东京工作过，她的经历和Hiddo的相比有所不同。如果你感兴趣的话，可以听听Felicia的讲述。 这是Wondering Zoe的第1季，第7期。在这一季，Zoe会邀请8位有异国文化经历的朋友谈一谈他们作为异乡人的心灵体验。 如果你喜欢这个系列，欢迎你留言，鼓励我继续做下去。谢谢！ 音效工程师：嘉琳 Music: "Eyes They're Closed" by Kaytsak，授权使用

Carmen - 隐秘的挣扎：我家是这个荷兰小镇上唯一的亚洲家庭 英文下面就是中文播客简介啦！ Welcome to Carmen’s world. Born in the Netherlands to Chinese parents, she grew up as part of the only Asian family in her small Dutch town. Before she even understood what race meant, she could already sense her difference - a quiet awareness that something set her apart. From the streets of her town to the hallways of her school, whether with family or among her white Dutch friends, the strange comments never seemed to stop, subtly shaping who she became. Carmen also spent a year and a half living in the UK, where she experienced the cultural contrasts between Britain and the Netherlands. Today, she is in Hong Kong, reunited with her family. When we recorded this episode, I was in Helsinki and she was in Hong Kong - we connected remotely for the recording. This is Season 1, Episode 6 of Wondering Zoe. In this season, Zoe invites eight friends with cross-cultural experiences to share their inner journeys as foreigners living abroad. If you enjoy this series, please leave a comment or message - your encouragement helps me keep going. Thank you! Music: “Eyes They’re Closed” by Kaytsak (licensed use) 欢迎走进卡门的世界。她是荷兰出生的华裔，来自这个荷兰小镇里唯一的亚洲家庭。在她明白种族为何物之前，她迷惑地感知着自己的不同。从小镇的街道，到学校的走廊，无论是和家人在一起，还是和白皮肤的荷兰朋友在一起，那些奇怪的声音似乎从来没有停止过，她的性格也被无声地改变。 她也在英国生活了一年半的时间，感知到英国和荷兰的文化差异。如今，她正在香港与亲人团聚。我们录制这期节目的时候，我在赫尔辛基，她在香港，通过远程方式完成了这次录制。 这是Wondering Zoe的第1季，第6期。在这一季，Zoe会邀请8位有异国文化经历的朋友谈一谈他们作为异乡人的心灵体验。 如果你喜欢这个系列，欢迎你留言，鼓励我继续做下去。谢谢！ Music: "Eyes They're Closed" by Kaytsak，授权使用

Felicia - 新加坡，日本再到荷兰，从金融到UX设计，不试试怎么知道自己喜不喜欢？ 英文后面是中文本集简介哦！ Felicia said, I studied Japanese for ten years, and when I finally fulfilled my dream of working in Japan… I walked into the office on my very first day and found a colleague watching porn… Felicia, originally from Singapore and now living in the Netherlands, is a UX (User Experience) designer. With a background in finance, she naturally started her career in Singapore’s financial industry. But after backpacking in Europe for a month, she realized how big the world was - and decided she wanted to see more. So, she quit her prestigious job and spent five months backpacking across Asia. Her long-held dream of living in Japan came true when she landed a job there, but after a year and a half, she began to feel stuck. What brought her to the Netherlands afterward? What gave her the courage to make another career change? And how does she see the differences between Japanese and Dutch cultures? Tune in to hear Felicia’s story. This is Season 1, Episode 5 of Wondering Zoe. In this season, Zoe invites eight friends with cross-cultural experiences to share their emotional journeys as foreigners living abroad. If you enjoy this series, please leave a comment or message - your encouragement keeps me going. Thank you! Music: “Eyes They’re Closed” by Kaytsak (licensed use) Felicia说，我学了10年日语，终于梦想成真来到日本工作…没想到入职第一天就撞见同事在办公室里看黄片… Felicia，新加坡人，现居荷兰，UX（用户体验）设计师。金融专业的她顺理成章地在新加坡金融行业工作，去欧洲当了一个月的背包客后，觉得世界真大，我要多去看看，于是辞去了光鲜的工作，一口气在亚洲做了5个月的背包客。 一直想去日本的她，竟然天赐良机，到了日本工作，却没想到做了一年半就觉得自己被卡住了。之后她为什么来到了荷兰？是什么让她有勇气再次作出职业转型？在她眼中日本和荷兰文化是什么样的呢？点进来，听Felicia讲她的故事吧。 这是Wondering Zoe的第1季，第5期。在这一季，Zoe会邀请8位有异国文化经历的朋友谈一谈他们作为异乡人的心灵体验。 如果你喜欢这个系列，欢迎你留言，鼓励我继续做下去。谢谢！ Music: "Eyes They're Closed" by Kaytsak，授权使用

James - 从多雨的伦敦到断网的沙漠 英文下面就是中文本集播客介绍哦！ James said that before experiencing it himself, he never realized how hard it could be to start a life in a completely foreign country. James, a physicist from London, is currently in the deserts of New Mexico, USA, working on optical telescopes. Before this job, he had never lived abroad for an extended period. Even though language isn’t a barrier, he still faces plenty of unexpected challenges - from food and transportation to finding housing. Now, he lives in a spacious three-bedroom house without cable internet or a washing machine. This is Season 1, Episode 4 of Wondering Zoe. In this season, Zoe invites eight friends with cross-cultural experiences to share their emotional journeys as foreigners living abroad. (By the fourth episode, I realized - all my interview guests so far have PhDs! 😂) If you enjoy this series, please leave a comment or message - your encouragement helps me keep going. Thank you! Music: “Eyes They’re Closed” by Kaytsak (licensed use) James说，自己亲身尝试之前，从没想过原来到一个陌生的国度生活，是一件多么艰难的事情。 James，伦敦人，物理学家，正在美国新墨西哥州的沙漠制作光学望远镜。在来到这里工作之前从未在英国以外的国家长期生活过。即使语言上完全没有障碍，但是仍然有很多意想不到的挑战：食物，交通，找房子……现在的他，过上了没有有线网络，没有洗衣机，坐拥三个卧室的大房子的生活。 这是Wondering Zoe的第1季，第4期。在这一季，Zoe会邀请8位有异国文化经历的朋友谈一谈他们作为异乡人的心灵体验。（做到第4集才发现，我现在所有的采访对象都是有博士学位的朋友😂） 如果你喜欢这个系列，欢迎你留言，鼓励我继续做下去。谢谢！ Music: "Eyes They're Closed" by Kaytsak，授权使用

Zephyr - 一觉醒来发现那天是“出柜日”，我就出柜了 英文下面是中文本集介绍哦！ Zephyr, from London, is an astronomer who, after graduating from the University of Cambridge, pursued a PhD at Columbia University. Life in New York led them to begin exploring their gender identity. From New York to Cambridge, even though they knew deep down how much they despised being labeled “male,” Zephyr still struggled to fully express their true self. Their first time wearing women’s clothing was in the Netherlands - a moment filled with both caution and joy. Zephyr said, “Those labels are part of you. When you see them, accept them, and stop fearing them, they cease to be labels - they simply become who you are.” This is Season 1, Episode 3 of Wondering Zoe. In this season, Zoe invites eight friends with cross-cultural experiences to share their inner journeys as foreigners living abroad. If you enjoy this series, please leave a comment or message - your encouragement helps me keep going. Thank you! Music: “Eyes They’re Closed” by Kaytsak (licensed use) Zephyr，伦敦人，天文学家，剑桥大学毕业后前往哥伦比亚大学攻读博士学位，在纽约的生活让ta开始探索自己的gender identity。从纽约到剑桥，即使内心坚定地知晓，“男性”这个标签是怎样让自己深恶痛绝，但ta依旧彷徨，无法在这里展露自己真实的模样。 第一次穿女装是在荷兰，有些小心翼翼，但是真的非常快乐。Zephyr说，那些标签是你的一部分，你看到了它们，接纳了它们，不再为之感到恐惧，那它们就不再是标签，而是你本身。 这是Wondering Zoe的第1季，第3期。在这一季，Zoe会邀请8位有异国文化经历的朋友谈一谈他们作为异乡人的心灵体验。 如果你喜欢这个系列，欢迎你留言，鼓励我继续做下去。谢谢！ Music: "Eyes They're Closed" by Kaytsak，授权使用